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Old 04-05-2019, 09:19 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Trump has had e-verify in every budget since he was elected. What happened to it? My guess would be that it was the Democrats that obstructed it just like in the past. Not all illegals are here to work either so e-verify if not the total solution, thus the wall.
I think OG has me blocked, so maybe someone could pass this news on to him:

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President Trump’s budget proposes an 8 percent funding cut to the E-Verify program — even though the administration is usually bent on boosting spending on anything to curb illegal immigration. https://www.politico.com/newsletters...-verify-411837
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Old 04-05-2019, 10:37 AM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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The Electoral College is not "biased". What a dumb statement. Idiots on the left don't realize that we already have the "popular vote" multiple times across the country during elections.

The United States is made up of 50 states. At election time, each state + DC gets a vote. The people of the state vote for who they want to become president. You have 51 different votes on election night. Each states' population tells the state who they want for president, and that state puts in their vote in December, based on what the people of the state voted.

The 2 exceptions are Maine and Nebraska: They have a "proportional representation". In their cases, they allocate 2 electoral votes for "popular vote" and 1 electoral vote to the popular vote in each Congressional district.

On election night, 48 states, plus Washington DC have "winner takes all".

We already have "the popular vote" during elections - 49 times over (48 states and DC) and partially for the 2 remaining states.

Each state gets their voice.

Despite the fact that the "popular" vote is already widely used across this nation, the lefties want to change the electoral college because they want states like CA and NY to decide for the rest of the country how things will go. The states of CA and NY are NOT representative of each state, and those people do not know what is best for the people in other states, no matter how enlightened and educated they think they are.

The left screams on this forum on an almost daily basis about Trump being an authoritarian...yet want a few states to decide for everyone else in the country how things will be run - that is very authoritarian.

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The Democratic party hasn't moved to the left so much as the GOP has gone VERY far to the hard right. Whereas many Democrats and liberals simply want our rights and the constitution respected and obeyed, ironically that USED to be what the GOP was all about. So I guess we're the patriots now.
Either this is the most deluded thing ever or this is more spin in typical liberal fashion: Blame the other side for that which they do, themselves. Regardless of which one it is, it's not even remotely based in reality. The "GOP" has not gone "far right". Labeling everyone who doesn't agree with you as "far right" is a losing tactic.
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Old 04-05-2019, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Boston
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even Obama would be too much of a centrist for the current Democratic party.

I love it.....political suicide for all to see.
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Old 04-05-2019, 01:23 PM
 
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even Obama would be too much of a centrist for the current Democratic party.

I love it.....political suicide for all to see.
This is not a thread about Trump and the Republican party. Although I agree that's exactly what is happening on the GOP side right now.
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Old 04-05-2019, 06:45 PM
 
Location: So Cal
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The Democratic party hasn't moved to the left so much as the GOP has gone VERY far to the hard right. Whereas many Democrats and liberals simply want our rights and the constitution respected and obeyed, ironically that USED to be what the GOP was all about. So I guess we're the patriots now.
Completely and utterly wrong. Shocklingly inaccurate.
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Old 04-05-2019, 06:49 PM
 
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In other words.....

The Democrats are trying to improve the country and I don't like it!!!!!

- Studies have shown lowering the voting age to 16 increases voter participation dramatically because for biological and educational reasons the young mind is more receptive to voting around the age of 16, and it becomes a habit that they keep to old age. That's why the Democrats want it. Don't tell me the right-wing doesn't get this when they are all for teaching abstinence and other right-wing hoohaa at about the same age.

- The Federal ID law is being abused by the right-wing to deny votes. This is already well documented.

- You know who was for open border? Ronald Reagan! Yea, what a far left nut that guy is. This used to be a common sense thing. The right-wing gone too far right, not the other way around.

- The EC has not served the country well, it did served the Republican party quite well. Let's get that straight. If you are only for what's good for one party, then keep it.

- Even in San Francisco I have NEVER heard anyone said illegals should be able to vote in general elections.

See, Democrats are for common sense improvement. But for a far-right winger, that can come across as less than desirable.

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Do you really believe 16-year olds are mature enough to make logical decisions and vote?
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Old 04-05-2019, 11:48 PM
 
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The Democratic party hasn't moved to the left so much as the GOP has gone VERY far to the hard right. Whereas many Democrats and liberals simply want our rights and the constitution respected and obeyed, ironically that USED to be what the GOP was all about. So I guess we're the patriots now.
By trying to eliminate the electoral college?
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Old 04-05-2019, 11:50 PM
 
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In other words.....

The Democrats are trying to improve the country and I don't like it!!!!!

- Studies have shown lowering the voting age to 16 increases voter participation dramatically because for biological and educational reasons the young mind is more receptive to voting around the age of 16, and it becomes a habit that they keep to old age. That's why the Democrats want it. Don't tell me the right-wing doesn't get this when they are all for teaching abstinence and other right-wing hoohaa at about the same age.

- The Federal ID law is being abused by the right-wing to deny votes. This is already well documented.

- You know who was for open border? Ronald Reagan! Yea, what a far left nut that guy is. This used to be a common sense thing. The right-wing gone too far right, not the other way around.

- The EC has not served the country well, it did served the Republican party quite well. Let's get that straight. If you are only for what's good for one party, then keep it.

- Even in San Francisco I have NEVER heard anyone said illegals should be able to vote in general elections.

See, Democrats are for common sense improvement. But for a far-right winger, that can come across as less than desirable.

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Studies show that the human brain doesn't mature until around 25. We should be raising the voting age.
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Old 04-06-2019, 12:49 AM
 
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The Democrats are trying to improve the country and I don't like it!!!!!
Yes, of course, eevry single idea from a person with a "D" by their name is great and will improve the country. Put Trump's ideas there since he was a "D" also, and carries a lot of his personality and ideas from that time.


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Originally Posted by beb0p View Post
- Studies have shown lowering the voting age to 16 increases voter participation dramatically because for biological and educational reasons the young mind is more receptive to voting around the age of 16, and it becomes a habit that they keep to old age. That's why the Democrats want it. Don't tell me the right-wing doesn't get this when they are all for teaching abstinence and other right-wing hoohaa at about the same age.
Studies have shown the brain does not fully devleop till 25. Drinking age is 21, cannot own a handgun until 21 in some states and no firearms until 18. But yea, lets lower the voting age, that way the pop stars of the world have even more influence on the vote due to the immature brains 16 year olds have.

But reality is the Democrats promise free things, utopian things, and this appeals to the least experienced and educated in society.

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- The Federal ID law is being abused by the right-wing to deny votes. This is already well documented.
Please demonstrate how this is used to deny votes. Seems you think those who are not the "right" are too stupid to get a valid ID to vote. Yet in the same breath, you would go nuts over the lack of ID for purchasing a firearm.

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- You know who was for open border? Ronald Reagan! Yea, what a far left nut that guy is. This used to be a common sense thing. The right-wing gone too far right, not the other way around.
Reagan was not for open borders, flat out false.

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- The EC has not served the country well, it did served the Republican party quite well. Let's get that straight. If you are only for what's good for one party, then keep it.
The EC has served the country greatly, as intended, and the reason why such a diverse, large country is still together after all these years. Democrats would love nothing more than to toss that away, just as they tried in 1861.

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- Even in San Francisco I have NEVER heard anyone said illegals should be able to vote in general elections.
There are a few out there that have promoted it, but San Francisco did allow illegals to vote in local elections.

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See, Democrats are for common sense improvement. But for a far-right winger, that can come across as less than desirable.

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Of course, because they have a "D" by their name, it is common sense, lol. Some of the most criticized policies, like the 1994 crime bill, were of Democrat creation. The Civil War? Yes, a Democrat created action. There are hundreds more. Hell, Democrats often do not even agree with each other, so which one would be speaking to common sense?
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Old 04-06-2019, 01:07 AM
 
Location: Eugene, Oregon
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The Electoral College has been working well for almost 235 years.

It balances the rights of both the larger and smaller states. It also helps to minimize political corruption within individual states (such as Illinois, New York, Louisiana, New Jersey or California) which otherwise could damage the National elections.

The proof that it works is the constant swing every 4 or 8 years from one party to another.

It would be foolish to change it and quite possibly would be the beginning of the breakup of this country.

But this last time around, the Electoral College enabled political corruption to reach an all-time high and embed itself in all branches of the federal government. If the current occupant of the White House has his way, that will be our last presidential election. You know, like how he was admiring the Chinese president-for-life system and said, "Maybe we should try that sometime?".
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