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Would you have no issue if requirements to vaccinate were removed from public school entry?
I’d have a HUGE issue if any legislation was proposed to forcibly hold down anyone and vaccinated them. I’d be picketing against that along side most parents who won’t stand for such a thing whether they choose to vaccinate or not. Everyone parent should have the right to make the choice they feel is in the best interest of their child’s health.
I would have an issue with vaccine requirements being removed for public school. Your right to refuse vaccines doesn’t give you the right endanger other people’s children. Some kids cannot get vaccinated due to medically indicated reasons. Endangering those vulnerable kids isn’t your right. If you have a waiver, then ok. If not, I support schools to deny your child entrance.
I’d have a HUGE issue if any legislation was proposed to forcibly hold down anyone and vaccinated them. I’d be picketing against that along side most parents who won’t stand for such a thing whether they choose to vaccinate or not. Everyone parent should have the right to make the choice they feel is in the best interest of their child’s health.
I would have an issue with vaccine requirements being removed for public school. Your right to refuse vaccines doesn’t give you the right endanger other people’s children. Some kids cannot get vaccinated due to medically indicated reasons. Endangering those vulnerable kids isn’t your right. If you have a waiver, then ok. If not, I support schools to deny your child entrance.
The vaccine requirements will never be removed from schools. The exemptions and the ability to opt out, even for a lot of medical reasons will be removed. That’s what’s at stake.
I’d have a HUGE issue if any legislation was proposed to forcibly hold down anyone and vaccinated them. I’d be picketing against that along side most parents who won’t stand for such a thing whether they choose to vaccinate or not. Everyone parent should have the right to make the choice they feel is in the best interest of their child’s health.
I would have an issue with vaccine requirements being removed for public school. Your right to refuse vaccines doesn’t give you the right endanger other people’s children. Some kids cannot get vaccinated due to medically indicated reasons. Endangering those vulnerable kids isn’t your right. If you have a waiver, then ok. If not, I support schools to deny your child entrance.
Then you are not for choice. Choice is ... choice. Everyone's individual decision is respected and accepted.
Do you believe that others should have a choice? Or do you think you should dictate what choices other people have?
Do you believe a person should have the choice to smoke on an airplane?
Choice is something one has when their choice does not have an impact on the well-being of others. It has been stated ad nauseam on this forum that those who are infectious carrying diseases that we have vaccinations for, can endanger the health of infants, immuno-suppressed, or those fighting cancer.
Why do you anti-vax people keep going in circles? Give it up already. You are all a health risk to our society and, as such, will be subject to certain ordinances or quarantine mandates.
Your choice is: get vaccinated or quarantine yourself or children according to mandates. Got it?
I think your confusion comes from a lack of understanding of the theory of herd immunity.
People are upset because their kids are at risk of being excluded from schools and society, marginalized, mocked and ridiculed for having legitimate concerns.
There is not another medical product that is quite as untouchable as vaccines. You’re not allowed to even question anything about them without getting attacked, mocked, ridiculed, etc. There’s a lot of misunderstanding. There’s also a lot of propaganda and underhanded tactics involved in the promotion of vaccines and anyone who’s been closely looking at the issue over a long period of time with a critical eye can clearly see this.
That’s compelled decision making. It’s not free choice. You also might want to look up the definition of the word autonomy.
EVERY law is based on compelled decision making. Are you against all laws? Should we do away with drunk driving laws since they compel people not to drink and drive? After all, those laws takes away someone’s right to choose for themselves.
Unless you’re against all laws, then you’re just cherry picking the school vaccine laws because they may (or do) effect you directly. There’s no difference in those laws and a million others. You still have choice, but that choice may lead to consequences you don’t like.
That’s how it works in a society where laws are in place to attempt to insulate us from the choices of others.
And since side effects listed on packaging aren't really side effects, the doctors wouldn't know what to look for even if they were required to report.
Doctors get almost no vaccine training in med school.
"closely monitored"? Um, no.
Anyone can report to VAERS. The parent or patient can do it.The information on how to do it is given out every time someone gets a vaccine. It's the law.
Doctors are well aware of side effects. Most are very mild, like soreness at the injection site and get better with only symptomatic treatment.
You really, really, really need to give up on he PI. It does not say what you claim it does.
Have you been to medical school? I assure you the doctors who administer them know how to use them. They would also know if vaccines were killing their patients. They are not.
Yes, vaccines are under continuous surveillance through VAERS and the VSD.
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Good, them you understand that it is just a theory that was originally applied to populations with natural immunity and was thought to provide protection when a certain percentage of the population (around 60%) had natural immunity to circulating illness. This theory, which is still just a theory was then applied to vaccine induce immunity. It’s still a theory.
People are mocked anytime they say anything negative about vaccines. That’s the mocking I was referring to. And of course parents will be upset about their children being excluded form public schools due to legitimate concerns.
That IS what is happening whether you can see it or not.
You have a family history of febrile seizures which puts your future grandchildren at risk as well. These are not totally benign and some vaccines up the risk. Hopefully you wont find your self on the other side one day, a grandparent of a vaccine injured child, wondering why you were so quick to give up their ability to attend public school.
Herd immunity applies to vaccine induced immunity just as much as it does to immunity due to disease. It is not "just a theory" in the way you are trying to trivialize it. The vaccine coverage needed to establish herd immunity varies with the infection. For measles it is about 95%.
Frankly, the anti-vax gurus do deserve to be mocked for all the dangerous misinformation and pseudoscience they spew. Wakefield is a good example. That man has deaths on his hands and refuses to admit it.
Any of us are much more likely to have a child or grandchild injured by a vaccine preventable disease if the anti-vaxers have their way. Shall we discuss the obscene things anti-vaxers have said to parents who lost children to VPDs?
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Skepticalraptor is a part of the propaganda machine. Hannah Poling was awarded compensation due to her autism being triggered by vaccination. She was a genetically susceptible individual. People like Cochristie’s son likely was too.
If you would actually listen to people who have children injured by vaccines, you might be more aware of the obstacles they face in terms of even getting anyone to listen to them much less being able to figure out how to navigate the system or report through their pediatricians or doctors. You think all of those parents are mistaken.
No, Hannah Poling was not awarded compensation for autism. I quoted the judge's ruling. here it is again:
""Respondent has conceded that petitioners are entitled to compensation due to the significant aggravation of Child Doc/77’s (Hannah Poling) pre-existing mitochondrial disorder based on an MMR vaccine Table presumptive injury of encephalopathy."
Do you see the word autism anywhere in that sentence?
Your choice is accepted. Who is vaccinating you by force? No one. You’re just upset that your choice has consequences.
No, the choice not to vaccinate is not accepted.
If it were, there would not be almost 100 pages of discussion about it.
It doesn't have to do with being upset. It has to do with lack of freedom. Choice.
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