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What??? The thoughts in your mind are not reality. Sorry.
Actually it is pretty clear the Obama Administration had a policy of not saying "radical Islam" to avoid alienating or stereotyping billions of innocent Muslims.
For three years, as under secretary of state for public diplomacy and public affairs, I would not and could not utter that phrase. No one in the Obama administration could or did. We used the much less specific term “violent extremism.” As in “countering violent extremism,” which is what we called much of our anti-Islamic State efforts.
Obama and his secretary of state, John Kerry, have said that they don’t use terms like “Islamic extremism” or “radical Islam” because they believe doing so would grant undeserved religious legitimacy to terrorist movements such as the Islamic State. Citing Islam as a factor risks framing counterterrorism as a war between the West and Islam, they have said.
Now yes, the inconsistency goes both ways. Trump who blasted the Obama administration over not using "radical Islamic terrorism"but has repeatedly refused to condemn "white nationalism", white supremacy. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...sville/536703/
Actually it is pretty clear the Obama Administration had a policy of not saying "radical Islam" to avoid alienating or stereotyping billions of innocent Muslims.
Now yes, the inconsistency goes both ways. Trump who blasted the Obama administration over not using "radical Islamic terrorism"but has repeatedly refused to condemn "white nationalism", white supremacy. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...sville/536703/
Here is Obama explaining why he didn't use this phrase. Note: not sure what this has to do with white supremacy and the rise of its' hatred in the US.
Now yes, the inconsistency goes both ways. Trump who blasted the Obama administration over not using "radical Islamic terrorism"but has repeatedly refused to condemn "white nationalism", white supremacy. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...sville/536703/
False. Direct quote from Trump:
"Racism is evil -- and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans."
How many times can the "honest, balanced" PBS Newshour use the words "hate" and "white" in a single 10-minute piece? I kept count.
hate - 27
white - 15
The message: white people hate, so you should hate white people.
Nope- it's "white supremacy" and "white nationalism" that get repeated. Also the story said 78% of extremist crimes are committed by white nationalists - or nationalists, to drive the point home. That makes about as much sense as saying "toxic masculinity" means all aspects of masculinity are toxic. It's as if certain people's attention perks up when they hear one word describing their own reference group, then a not-so-flattering aspect often found in the group, then saying ALL such people and ALL such aspects of their own group are garbage, through and through. That's just plain paranoia right there.
No, that is the easy part. End the "Social Justice War" that the far left is waging against our society. For years white nationalists were a fringe group that was ignored or ridiculed and was effectively impotent. It is still a fringe group but it is no longer ignored or ridiculed, it is picked at like a festering wound which only makes it grow. Constantly pointed at and the subject of ongoing and loud attention. Any new perceived strength the movement may be feeling is a direct result of that unending exposure. Let's be Americans together instead of pawns moved around a board by people with nefarious agendas and pitted against each other.
The more extreme social justice warrior rhetoric certainly alienates people and probably undermines their cause. It is reasonable to say that some white (especially men) are turned off by liberal rhetoric that celebrates and gives sympathy to women, minorities, LGBT people while only specifically naming whites or men to point our how privileged or bigoted they are.
But, its not a logical response to blame left-wing tweets for people declaring the US should be a "whites only society" or even worse shooting up a Mosques, Sheik Temples, Synagoauge or Black Church as white supremacists have done in recent years in the US.
Plus, White supremacy and white nationalism preceded the rise of the modern social justice warrriors by a couple of centuries. The idea of the US as a nation specifically for white people is an idea that is woven deeply into our culture. Now, fortunate overtime most white Americans have moved away from that idea. But, it is still there and appears to be having a modest resurgence.
No, that is the easy part. End the "Social Justice War" that the far left is waging against our society. For years white nationalists were a fringe group that was ignored or ridiculed and was effectively impotent. It is still a fringe group but it is no longer ignored or ridiculed, it is picked at like a festering wound which only makes it grow. Constantly pointed at and the subject of ongoing and loud attention. Any new perceived strength the movement may be feeling is a direct result of that unending exposure. Let's be Americans together instead of pawns moved around a board by people with nefarious agendas and pitted against each other.
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The more extreme social justice warrior rhetoric certainly alienates people and probably undermines their cause. It is reasonable to say that some white (especially men) are turned off by liberal rhetoric that celebrates and gives sympathy to women, minorities, LGBT people while only specifically naming whites or men to point our how privileged or bigoted they are.
But, its not a logical response to blame left-wing tweets for people declaring the US should be a "whites only society" or even worse shooting up a Mosques, Sheik Temples, Synagoauge or Black Church as white supremacists have done in recent years in the US.
Plus, White supremacy and white nationalism preceded the rise of the modern social justice warrriors by a couple of centuries. The idea of the US as a nation specifically for white people is an idea that is woven deeply into our culture. Now, fortunate overtime most white Americans have moved away from that idea. But, it is still there and appears to be having a modest resurgence.
You sound like you are trying to be even handed yet you keep linking to far left wing sites like the atlantic and slate. White nationalists have always been there(marginally in recent times), SJWs are giving them a stage so they can have a bogeyman to hate and denigrate their opponents with. If white nationalists didn't exist the SJWs would invent them. The bolded is what I addressed in my previous post(which I have quoted for context) so you're not even reading what I'm writing before responding to it.
You're not discussing in good faith. You're luring the hypothetical reasonable person in with apparently even handed commentary then smacking them over the head with the typical bullcrap rhetoric.
Yeah, there is a reasonable debate about whether using specific phrases like "radical Islam" or "white supremacy" help or hurt. Using more neutral nondescript phrases like violent extremism can avoid alienating or assigning blame to the larger group. But, the flip side is you have to name the specific problem to fix it. Both Islamic and white terrorism spring from a specific forms of extremist ideology.
My point is that many who have hesitancy about stating the Islamic elements of Islamic terrorism have no issues highlighting the White elements of white terrorism and vice versa.
You sound like you are trying to be even handed yet you keep linking to far left wing sites like the atlantic and slate. White nationalists have always been there(marginally in recent times), SJWs are giving them a stage so they can have a bogeyman to hate and denigrate their opponents with. If white nationalists didn't exist the SJWs would invent them. The bolded is what I addressed in my previous post(which I have quoted for context) so you're not even reading what I'm writing before responding to it.
You're not discussing in good faith. You're luring the hypothetical reasonable person in with apparently even handed commentary then smacking them over the head with the typical bullcrap rhetoric.
Point 1: yeah, I did link to lefty sites like slate and atlantic. But, the Slate link was to a liberal who was arguing the liberal SJW culture is harming liberalism. It maybe an argument by a liberal, but I agree with the premise.
Similar with the Atlantic piece, the author is a liberal, but I think it is pretty objective fact that President Trump talks about Islamic terrorism differently than he does white terrorism.
Point 2: I agree the SJW culture riles up conservatives and makes them feel under constant attack by the dominant liberal mass media culture. But, I don't think that explains away why people are adopting violent extreme positions like calling for an ethnic cleansing. Or even worse actually taking and undertaking violence. It seems like a stretch to blame the Pittsburgh Synagogue shooting or the Charleston AME Church shooting on people being triggered by woke twitter.
It's like somebody shooting up an evangelical church and then blamed it on being mad at the way Fox News covered liberals or Donald Trump tweets. It just doesn't seem proportional. It may play a role, but I don't think can really explain most of the reason white nationalism has risen.
"Racism is evil -- and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans."
It may play a role, but I don't think can really explain most of the reason white nationalism has risen.
I think that a case could be made that any rise in white nationalism could be at least in part attributed to attacks on whites in the media and by politicians.
Heck, Beto is getting castigated on CNN for being white.
Biden and Sanders too.
Surely attacking people for no offense other than their skin color could produce a negative response wouldn't you agree?
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