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Old 04-22-2019, 02:02 PM
 
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I think many of you are jumping to conclusion and don't understand the underlying rule change.

"The new rule would disallow illegal immigrants from living in houses that receive subsidies from the department regardless of whether they were the direct recipient or not." Keep in mind housing benefits can be removed for those not listed on HUD paperwork, so already there are rules for "hiding" you illegal boyfriend and ect., this rule change does not affect those scenarios. The administration knows the exact number because these are people that were registered on the Section 8 paperwork as "living in the home".

This rule would make it illegal for a few scenarios to take place:
1) Legal Mom and children in home (recipient of section 8) w/ illegal grandparent in home (Not on assistance) cut benefits
2) Mom is legal (recipients of Section 8), child who is illegal in home, Housing benefits will now be cut
3) Mom and children legal, niece or illegal child in home, benefits will be cut

This policy change is geared at a very specific group hence affecting only 33,000 homes nation wide and I guarantee that stat was juiced up by the administration (hard to believe any numbers from them now). So little effect but one that will make headlines if children start getting put on the street, illegal or not.


Ill just watch and see where this goes.
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Old 04-22-2019, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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The only way to qualify for these benefits is to be a citizen or a legal resident.

So what is proposed is to take a benefit away from some citizen or legal alien to give to some other citizen or legal alien.

It may deprive some illegal alien who was participating in the benefit but is still removing it from some citizen or legal alien.
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Old 04-22-2019, 03:38 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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How will Ben do it?
More bureaucracy. More government workers will be needed to track the illegals down in all that section 8 housing.
The swamp continues to grow and spread.

MAGA comes at a great cost, and it's either more swamp or putting up with the illegals. Can't have both at the same time, but the illegals are more likely to move out on their own than the swamp will want to shrink once all those federal jobs happen.

I doubt the illegals will cost us as much money in the end. They won't be getting any retirement when they leave the housing. But Ben's new bureaucrats will get theirs, for sure, as Ben will, long after he's gone.
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Old 04-22-2019, 03:53 PM
 
Location: Virginia
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But I thought they were all hard-working entrepreneurs with genius children who NEVER use any government services?
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Old 04-22-2019, 04:16 PM
 
Location: Somewhere out there.
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What is the 'trigger warning' in aid of, just out of interest?
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Old 04-22-2019, 04:20 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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To summarize this law: it basically kicks out illegals from their homes so they can still illegally live in this country. :eyeroll:

This is typical Republicanism: implement solutions that does NOT solve a problem and actually create new ones.

- Those families are citizens and already have Section 8. This change doesn't speed up the Section 8 enrollment in any way, shape, or form. This isn't "helping illegals over Americans", the Americans are already being helped, by way of Section 8.

- Now, should Section 8 tenants house illegal aliens? No, they shouldn't. But is this really a problem? What problem? The illegals who are living in homes of Section 8 tenants are already in this country. They've made it pass the border patrol and are already here. So this doesn't help anybody catch them. Again, what problem are the right-wingers trying to solve?

- So now the illegals (theoretically) have to move out of the Section 8 tenants' house and either live on the streets or rent their own place. This law basically just creates more homeless problem and housing demand. At a time when homelessness and rent in this country is already sky high in both red and blue states.

In other words: the same crowd who screams "Illegals are taking our jobs!" just created a new situation where "Illegals are taking our homes!"

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We should be making their lives suck to the point they self deport. That's how you fix an open border mess. Make them live in fear.
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Old 04-22-2019, 04:26 PM
 
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https://kagdaily.com/2019/04/ben-car...icans-instead/




From The Washington Examiner: “We need to make certain our scarce public resources help those who are legally entitled to it,” department Secretary Ben Carson said in a statement. “Given the overwhelming demand for our programs, fairness requires that we devote ourselves to legal residents who have been waiting, some for many years, for access to affordable housing.”
The new rule would disallow illegal immigrants from living in houses that receive subsidies from the department regardless of whether they were the direct recipient or not. Previously, rules allowed illegal immigrants to benefit from subsides by living with relatives who were citizens.
“This proposal gets to the whole point Cher was making in her tweet that the President retweeted. We’ve got our own people to house and we need to take care of our citizens,” an official in the Trump administration told the Daily Caller.
Great news. Finally, a second spine in Washington, DC.
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Old 04-22-2019, 04:34 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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We've seen what it takes for the mass of illegals to self-deport... a freaking Great Recession! George W. Bush and the Repubicans' crowning achievement was to crash the economy so the illegals will voluntary go back home.


Anything less than that, the number of self-deport doesn't move the needle. The ones who do will be replaced by new one who arrive.

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I guess you didn't read about Ike?
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Old 04-22-2019, 04:43 PM
 
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It's time to eliminate HUD altogether and let the states decide whether they want to build projects. The federal government has no business getting involved in this type of issue anyway.
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Old 04-22-2019, 05:22 PM
 
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To summarize this law: it basically kicks out illegals from their homes so they can still illegally live in this country. :eyeroll:

This is typical Republicanism: implement solutions that does NOT solve a problem and actually create new ones.

- Those families are citizens and already have Section 8. This change doesn't speed up the Section 8 enrollment in any way, shape, or form. This isn't "helping illegals over Americans", the Americans are already being helped, by way of Section 8.

- Now, should Section 8 tenants house illegal aliens? No, they shouldn't. But is this really a problem? What problem? The illegals who are living in homes of Section 8 tenants are already in this country. They've made it pass the border patrol and are already here. So this doesn't help anybody catch them. Again, what problem are the right-wingers trying to solve?

- So now the illegals (theoretically) have to move out of the Section 8 tenants' house and either live on the streets or rent their own place. This law basically just creates more homeless problem and housing demand. At a time when homelessness and rent in this country is already sky high in both red and blue states.

In other words: the same crowd who screams "Illegals are taking our jobs!" just created a new situation where "Illegals are taking our homes!"

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Actually, there are a limited number of section 8 vouchers. There is a wait list for those US citizens who qualify for section 8. Therefore, if an illegal gets section 8, there is an American Citizen, on a wait list, who deosn't get a voucher, for as much time Jose Illegal's housing is being subsidized by American Citizens.
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