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I still don’t get your fixation on Detroit. Again, I’m an Arizonan. I haven’t lived in Detroit since I was 2 back in 1967. And even if I did live there, so what? I could very well be living in one of the neighborhoods in the city that’s beyond your income. My mom’s home is in Boston-Edison,..you probably couldn’t afford a garage in B.E.
As for Chicago, everyone pretty much votes Democrat. There too, many blacks (like my cousin) live in neighborhoods that you couldn’t afford. So even talking trash about Chicago is silly on your part.
The black vote is the business of African Americans. The sooner you get that through your head, the sooner you can stop driving yourself crazy. We don’t take advice, and we have no suggestion boxes. Go to many of these dirt poor white populated areas across America (there are too many to name) and tell them how to vote. They might be more receptive. Voting for Republicans has most certainly failed them.
I am white and I cannot understand why republican conservatives have such a paternalistic and insulting attitude towards black voters. They actually believe they know better for black people than black people know for themselves. This attitude alone would keep me from voting republican.
I would appreciate a little honesty on this subject. The reality is that most of the agenda that conservatives support is not oriented towards helping anyone in the poor or working class sector of the economy. The principal supporters of the GOP are and have always been upper income people and business interests. They always persuade a section of the middle class to go along, but no one in their right mind who is poor or working class would vote republican. All these tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations mean there is that much less money in the budget for education, housing, and health care. The well-to-do don't care. They don't need help in most of these areas. On the other hand, the poor and even the middle class do benefit from such programs.
The reality is that the proportion black people who are in the middle and upper class is less than that of the white population. So, I would suspect black people would be naturally more sympathetic to the agenda of the democratic party.
If the GOP wants more black votes it logically follows they would change their platform because that is what is flawed. However, my observation about many conservatives is that they have a really hard time understanding that everyone doesn't support their policies of low taxes for the wealthy, large cuts in all government spending except for the military, and deregulation of often irresponsible business interests. They just imagine everyone agrees with that and when they find out that a majority does not they become angry and go into a sort of denial. The denial results in them accusing everyone who disagrees as being lazy, a socialist, dumb, or whatever. One insult frequently leveled at black voters is that "they still live on the plantation".
Than there is a secondary issue of how few black candidates are nominated for office by republicans. The GOP has never nominated a black presidential candidate. The GOP did not nominate a black senate candidate until it chose Tim Scott for the senate in South Carolina just a few years ago. The GOP did not nominate a black for the Supreme Court until Clarence Thomas in 1991.
I could also point out that all major civil rights legislation was enacted under a democratic president.
Those are the hard realities of why black voters don't like the GOP. Don't be surprised if Trump doesn't do any better with black voters than he did last time.
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I am white and I cannot understand why republican conservatives have such a paternalistic and insulting attitude towards black voters. They actually believe they know better for black people than black people know for themselves.
I would appreciate a little honesty on this subject. The reality is that most of the agenda that conservatives support is not orienting towards helping anyone in the poor or working class sector of the economy. The principal supporters of the GOP are and have always been upper income people and business interests. They always persuade a section of the middle class to go along, but no one in their right mind who is poor or working class would vote republican. All these tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations mean there is that much less money in the budget for education, housing, and health care. The well-to-do don't care. They don't need help in most of these areas. On the other hand, the poor and even the middle class do benefit from such programs.
The reality is that the proportion black people who are in the middle and upper class is less than that of the white population. So, I would suspect black people would be naturally more sympathetic to the agenda of the democratic party.
If the GOP wants more black votes it logically follows they would change their platform because that is what is flawed. However, my observation about many conservatives is that they have a really hard time understanding that everyone doesn't support their policies of low taxes for the wealthy, large cuts in all government spending except for the military, and deregulation of often irresponsible business interests. They just imagine everyone agrees with that and when they find out that a majority does not they become angry and go into a sort of denial. The denial results in them accusing everyone who disagrees as being lazy, a socialist, dumb, or whatever. One insult frequently leveled at black voters is that "they still live on the plantation".
Than there is a secondary issue of how few black candidates are nominated for office by republicans. The GOP has never nominated a black presidential candidate. The GOP did not nominate a black senate candidate until it chose Tim Scott for the senate in South Carolina just a few years ago. The GOP did not nominate a black for the Supreme Court until Clarence Thomas in 1991.
I could also point out that all major civil rights legislation was enacted under a democratic president.
Those are the hard realities of why black voters don't like the GOP. Don't be surprised if Trump doesn't do any better with black voters than he did last time.
That's their inner bigotry at work, passed down from generations. They can't help it, it's who most of them
are.
I have noticed that no matter what President Trump does for specific groups of people, those who are leftists, black or white(or any race for that matter) take what he offers with one hand and stabs him and our country in the back with the other.
It called radical leftist mindset that want one thing and that's a socialist communist country and any President who is for the people will not be appreciated.
I have noticed that no matter what President Trump does for specific groups of people, those who are leftists, black or white(or any race for that matter) take what he offers with one hand and stabs him and our country in the back with the other.
It called radical leftist mindset that want one thing and that's a socialist communist country and any President who is for the people will not be appreciated.
I've noticed that no matter how much data I put up, proving that Black Americans aren't really benefiting under the Trump administration, some people just keep denying it, claiming "Black people love Trump", "Black people are going to come around for Trump" or "Black people have Trump to thank for their good fortunes". I have data to prove the opposite. I've posted it over and over. And yet, some people will either ignore it or deny it.
I guess it just doesn’t matter for some people that no matter how much you try help them...They just don’t care give a dam....they’re more into identity politics... it just shows sad state of affairs we’re living in these times...
Thread Title: After all Trump has done for blacks.....
What specifically has Trump done for blacks?
What could any POTUS do for blacks, not being done for any other ethnic group?
18 months away from 2020 Election Day. No telling who will recieve the Democrat nomination, let alone win the election.
You are one of the voices of reason on this thread. And that is a good thing.
And to answer your questions:
1) I personally can't think of anything President Trump has done for Black Americans. And I've posted statistics to back that up. That "record low" unemployment rate is not a record low. The record low was back in 1953, at 4.6%. Furthermore, the unemployment rate for Black Americans began dropping around 2011/2012, before Trump even ran for office. Trump gets no credit for that.
There is also something else. Workforce participation rate has been dropping since about 2007. There are many people who have given up trying to find work. Many have lost hope in finding work.
Black Americans are the only group to experience a rise in unemployment between 2018 and 2019. I notice that a bulk of that has to do with Black men being out of work. There are more Black women in the workforce than Black men. So much for the "welfare queen" stereotype. Actually, there are more women than men using food stamps. Alot of people who are on food stamps are employed, albeit underemployed and paid poorly. If there aren't that many Black men using food stamps, yet there are more Black men unemployed than Black women, there are likely other things going on beside "laziness".
2) Truth is, most Presidents don't do that much for Blacks relatively to other ethnic groups. However, I do think that a President should address things like police brutality and job discrimination. If you are having a harder time getting a job than your neighbor, a tax break does no good.
And we indeed have no idea who will win the election. We don't even know who will win the nomination. Some of these predictions are really just a form of denial.
I would love to have this question answered by those who keep going on and one about who Blacks vote for:
Why do you care so much about who Black people vote for? Why is it any of your business?
Feel free to give your insight on the question. I still want to hear from those persons who keep obsession about Black voter patterns.
Of course it won't happen on his watch, nothing surprising about that.
Yeah but let's cut the crap...if Harriet were put on the bill under his watch...he woudn't receive credit for that either. The meme would be "But Obama started that"
Actually, white voters will decide what is best for all Americans, including blacks, because white voters make up the majority.
So white voters were the ones that decided to get us into 2 dumbass losing wars and $20 plus trillion dollars of debt?
Stunning admission from you, but I appreciate you taking responsibility. ����
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Originally Posted by markg91359
I am white and I cannot understand why republican conservatives have such a paternalistic and insulting attitude towards black voters. They actually believe they know better for black people than black people know for themselves. This attitude alone would keep me from voting republican.
I would appreciate a little honesty on this subject. The reality is that most of the agenda that conservatives support is not oriented towards helping anyone in the poor or working class sector of the economy. The principal supporters of the GOP are and have always been upper income people and business interests. They always persuade a section of the middle class to go along, but no one in their right mind who is poor or working class would vote republican. All these tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations mean there is that much less money in the budget for education, housing, and health care. The well-to-do don't care. They don't need help in most of these areas. On the other hand, the poor and even the middle class do benefit from such programs.
The reality is that the proportion black people who are in the middle and upper class is less than that of the white population. So, I would suspect black people would be naturally more sympathetic to the agenda of the democratic party.
If the GOP wants more black votes it logically follows they would change their platform because that is what is flawed. However, my observation about many conservatives is that they have a really hard time understanding that everyone doesn't support their policies of low taxes for the wealthy, large cuts in all government spending except for the military, and deregulation of often irresponsible business interests. They just imagine everyone agrees with that and when they find out that a majority does not they become angry and go into a sort of denial. The denial results in them accusing everyone who disagrees as being lazy, a socialist, dumb, or whatever. One insult frequently leveled at black voters is that "they still live on the plantation".
Than there is a secondary issue of how few black candidates are nominated for office by republicans. The GOP has never nominated a black presidential candidate. The GOP did not nominate a black senate candidate until it chose Tim Scott for the senate in South Carolina just a few years ago. The GOP did not nominate a black for the Supreme Court until Clarence Thomas in 1991.
I could also point out that all major civil rights legislation was enacted under a democratic president.
Those are the hard realities of why black voters don't like the GOP. Don't be surprised if Trump doesn't do any better with black voters than he did last time.
The GOP can’t even take care of its white voter base in huge swaths of this country that live trapped in poverty and hopelessness.
Middle aged white men lead this country in suicides...the same group that goes ALL OUT for the Republican Party. Yet, they have the nerve to ask us for a justification for our votes.
Please. They’d better GTHOH and go find another minority group to pick on. They can’t tell us a damn thing!
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