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Old 05-31-2019, 08:42 PM
 
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Nanny state my ass. You confuse wanting a better deal from corporate America with government handouts.
We have no sick leave by law. We have no vacation time by law. We have no maternity leave by law. All of the people in Europe have all of those things. It's as if Europe won WW 2 and American workers lost.
You're better off in Europe if your income is below the 40th percentile roughly, and you're better off in America if your income is above the 40th percentile roughly. So a majority of people are better off in the US.

It is easier to survive in Europe. It is harder to build wealth there.
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Old 06-01-2019, 06:51 AM
 
Location: Proxima Centauri
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You're better off in Europe if your income is below the 40th percentile roughly, and you're better off in America if your income is above the 40th percentile roughly. So a majority of people are better off in the US.

It is easier to survive in Europe. It is harder to build wealth there.

The social safety net is better there and I suppose that the wealthier pay for it. I would really like to see a breakdown comparison of taxes between Germany and some of our more prosperous states for someone making 100K a year.
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Old 06-01-2019, 06:57 AM
 
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The social safety net is better there and I suppose that the wealthier pay for it. I would really like to see a breakdown comparison of taxes between Germany and some of our more prosperous states for someone making 100K a year.
It's more complicated than just taxes. There are also transfer payments, pensions, health care, etc.

The OECD attempted to tabulate all of this with a concept called "net adjusted" disposable income.

OECD Better Life Index

If you make $100,000 in the US, you are way better off here than in Germany. The threshold at which you would be better off in Germany is less than $35-40k a year.
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Old 06-01-2019, 07:09 AM
 
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Now reality: the majority of the tax cuts go into the pockets of those who are already in possession of the vast majority of the wealth, and none of the things you describe consistently happen. That is definitely the case state side. Maybe companies expand overseas, but that does little good for the people for whom government policy is supposed to serve. Cheap chinese goods at Walmart don't = a higher standard of living.
Tax cuts. As in income tax. These cuts benefit the people who actually pay income taxes. About half the country doesn't pitch in.
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Old 06-01-2019, 07:34 AM
 
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There you go. Let's change history. The term was invented by Paul Volcker to explain Reaganomics. If you look at this another way, you're right. Money made by the rich never finds it's way down stream.
Sure it does. Have you SEEN the job market and unemployment numbers lately? If by trickle down, you make as much as a CEO, then no. Geez.
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Old 06-01-2019, 08:46 AM
 
Location: Boston
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the government trickles down about $12K a month to me and the wife in pension income.

I'm loving the trickle.
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Old 06-01-2019, 09:08 AM
 
Location: NJ
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It’s a disaster for everyone except for those whose money never trickles down.
If it doesn't trickle down then where does it go?


If any money is spent some else benefits.


Even if money is hoarded, it would require the purchase of cases of mason jars and shovels required for burial in backyards.


Apparently trickle down is working for the majority of people.


Who isn't it helping with low UE, historical in some demographics and thousands of jobs, high consumer confidence and rising pay increases?????
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Old 06-01-2019, 09:12 AM
 
Location: Proxima Centauri
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the government trickles down about $12K a month to me and the wife in pension income.

I'm loving the trickle.

I couldn't imagine a better pension. However that's not what Reagan or Volcker had in mind when they propagandized tax cuts. If anything Reaganomics would put downward pressure on any government pension.


Were you in a union?
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Old 06-01-2019, 09:16 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Without strong unions to pry the money out of the owner's hands, the working man gets the crumbs.



Without laws to fairly compensate workers, we are at the mercy of Il Padrone (the owner class).


I never needed a union to negotiate for me.


We already have enough other laws and agencies that cover workplace conditions that make unions obsolete.
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Old 06-01-2019, 09:18 AM
 
Location: Proxima Centauri
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If it doesn't trickle down then where does it go?


If any money is spent some else benefits.


Even if money is hoarded, it would require the purchase of cases of mason jars and shovels required for burial in backyards.


Apparently trickle down is working for the majority of people.


Who isn't it helping with low UE, historical in some demographics and thousands of jobs, high consumer confidence and rising pay increases?????

https://www.cnbc.com/2014/09/22/bill...s-of-cash.html
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