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Old 06-07-2019, 11:19 AM
 
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Oh I would bet they have the ability to look inside private homes/ structures, probably have had this ability for a long time.


The general public is only privy to a very small percentage of what US spying and reconnaissance agencies are truly capable of.


I think most of us would probably be astounded if we found out what their capabilities were today!!
Do you really think the government is going to waste their time & resources spying inside of our, the average joe schmo's home? Really? Here's what they would see with me: me either reading on the porch drinking wine or me watching Netflix on my laptop.....oh wait, last night I masturbated. That's about it. Except for my nefarious pot smoking. Guess what? If it weren't for street cameras, those Boston bombers probably wouldn't have been caught.
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Old 06-07-2019, 12:19 PM
 
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Again the air above roof top heights is public property in many if not all jurisdictions. The exact height will likely vary but it will not be very high. Photography of private property from public space is legal. everywhere.

Jamming a drone is likely criminal anywhere. And in of the better drones it is not going to work. The authorities may well be able to create beam weapons that can actually overpower the circuits in a drone but that is heavy weapons grade stuff.

Best one I have seen was a European operations that was training raptors to take down small drones.
In Florida, for example, Criminal Code Section 934.50 forbids using drones for surveillance in violation of another person's reasonable expectation of privacy. In Arkansas, AR Code Section 5-60-103 forbids using drones to invade privacy and commit video voyeurism. In California, Civil Code Section 1708.8 forbids the using drones to record another person without consent.

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclope...has-drone.html

I have a drone. I has a 4K camera. I am very careful to not fly it over people's houses directly.

https://youtu.be/RiCqw4qp9i4
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Old 06-07-2019, 12:28 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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In Florida, for example, Criminal Code Section 934.50 forbids using drones for surveillance in violation of another person's reasonable expectation of privacy. In Arkansas, AR Code Section 5-60-103 forbids using drones to invade privacy and commit video voyeurism. In California, Civil Code Section 1708.8 forbids the using drones to record another person without consent.

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclope...has-drone.html

I have a drone. I has a 4K camera. I am very careful to not fly it over people's houses directly.

https://youtu.be/RiCqw4qp9i4
That is the same as the public street laws. Basically you have no expectation of privacy most of the time. You may have a prosecution if the drone flies up to a window or such but photos from a backyard are unlikely to be prosecutable. I doubt the CA law will hold up in a public photo scenario.
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Old 06-07-2019, 12:30 PM
 
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That is the same as the public street laws. Basically you have no expectation of privacy most of the time. You may have a prosecution if the drone flies up to a window or such but photos from a backyard are unlikely to be prosecutable. I doubt the CA law will hold up in a public photo scenario.
This is all stuff to be worked out in the future.
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Old 06-07-2019, 05:32 PM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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This is all stuff to be worked out in the future.
Unfortunately the future is here and we have not worked out how much is too much. I worry about scenarios where you bump into an old HS classmate and do not realize that they are wanted by the police. So now your short conversation with them turns into you are a 'known associate'. Or your kids make a little rock dam in the stream behind your house and the DNC decides you broke many rules.

We are collecting and saving data for longer and longer periods of time. Even if one government agency sees no problem with your actions; another one could fault almost every single move.

We are 'advancing' at a pace far faster than the regulations that control these new modern gadgets. It is in our best interest to try to keep up and pressure our legislators for regulations to control what is permitted and what is not.
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Old 06-07-2019, 05:58 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Unfortunately the future is here and we have not worked out how much is too much. I worry about scenarios where you bump into an old HS classmate and do not realize that they are wanted by the police. So now your short conversation with them turns into you are a 'known associate'. Or your kids make a little rock dam in the stream behind your house and the DNC decides you broke many rules.

We are collecting and saving data for longer and longer periods of time. Even if one government agency sees no problem with your actions; another one could fault almost every single move.

We are 'advancing' at a pace far faster than the regulations that control these new modern gadgets. It is in our best interest to try to keep up and pressure our legislators for regulations to control what is permitted and what is not.
I think this gets oversold. Pretty soon all cars will be reporting their position and velocity close to continuously. And phones already can be tracked pretty close to continuously.. But how to collect and process the resulting data? We are going to start getting xenabytes then yottabytes in hours. What do you do with it?

Practically it will end up with very high definition data for a short period. Then the information will be extracted and compressed. But after a while there will simply be no way to contain or even search it.
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Old 06-07-2019, 06:09 PM
 
Location: SE Asia
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Do you really think the government is going to waste their time & resources spying inside of our, the average joe schmo's home? Really? Here's what they would see with me: me either reading on the porch drinking wine or me watching Netflix on my laptop.....oh wait, last night I masturbated. That's about it. Except for my nefarious pot smoking. Guess what? If it weren't for street cameras, those Boston bombers probably wouldn't have been caught.
Have you ever seen what the US Government wastes money and resources on?
Bridges to no where.
40 million dollar gas station in Afghanistan
Billions on Haiti
The literal combat ship
F-35
Ford class carrier
barbershop just for elected reps
Libya
Syria
Iraq
Afghanistan

So yes I do believe they would.
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Old 06-07-2019, 06:25 PM
 
Location: USA
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I’ll have to make sure that I skinny dip under trees.
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Old 06-07-2019, 07:08 PM
 
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Do you really think the government is going to waste their time & resources spying inside of our, the average joe schmo's home? Really? Here's what they would see with me: me either reading on the porch drinking wine or me watching Netflix on my laptop.....oh wait, last night I masturbated. That's about it. Except for my nefarious pot smoking. Guess what? If it weren't for street cameras, those Boston bombers probably wouldn't have been caught.
Safety and security have NEVER been a justifiable reason for 'giving up on' some personal liberties.


Hows that old saying go..."Those that give up a little liberty for the sake of safety or security...deserve neither".
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Old 06-07-2019, 08:18 PM
 
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Unfortunately the future is here and we have not worked out how much is too much. I worry about scenarios where you bump into an old HS classmate and do not realize that they are wanted by the police. So now your short conversation with them turns into you are a 'known associate'. Or your kids make a little rock dam in the stream behind your house and the DNC decides you broke many rules.

We are collecting and saving data for longer and longer periods of time. Even if one government agency sees no problem with your actions; another one could fault almost every single move.

We are 'advancing' at a pace far faster than the regulations that control these new modern gadgets. It is in our best interest to try to keep up and pressure our legislators for regulations to control what is permitted and what is not.
I don't think I'm going to give those two scenarios any worry.
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