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Your premise is entirely false. Read the comments in this thread.
Case closed.
WHY is my premise or more specifically WHY is the commentator's premise that I linked in the OP false? Read the comments in this thread? I have and they've done nothing to debunk the premise I linked. Simply calling the premise false without even listening to the 5 minute clip I highlighted in the link to even try to understand what the premise is being based on proves that those who disagree shows how unwilling many are to even engage in a intellectually honest debate. The reactions to the premise presented give credence to the premise.
It would be one thing if anyone commenting so far had bothered to actually listen to the link and had presented a logical argument to debunk the premise. That hasn't happened. It's mostly been appeals to authority and conservatives are stupid and don't use "facts" like liberals do. Declaring one self the winner "just because" the "facts" support you when no "facts" have been presented to argue against the premise isn't a debate. It's more of the same "I'm right and you're wrong and I don't have to present a logical argument because you're a dumb conservative and a bad person" and basically proves the linked commentator's point.
Don't know who Dan Bongo is, but what makes his opinion any good?
Many liberals may be intolerant of conservatives, but if you think conservatives are somehow more tolerant of liberals - that's a hoot (and a blatant lie).
The correctness of his opinion is what makes his opinion any good....and it's very correct here and in many other areas.
I know for liberals, all one must do is say the politically correct platitude to get liberal love...conservatives have to be correct and the results good to get conservatives respect.
Sounds like this person is looking for an excuse to be an Azz.
If I can convince myself that the "Other" hates me, then I can demonize them as much as I want because "They are doing it to me". He is justifying his ignorance of the "other". I say ignorance because he is giving himself "Permission" to dismiss "the Other" or "Those people".
And if I can tie that into a political slur and assign that slur to "the other". I can then say what ever I want, there is no line because after all "They" Already hate me. Welcome to Political Radio, your 30 years too late.
Look at it this way. The only place you can be a "Liberal" a "Communist" "A Fascist" and a "Socialist" is in Talk radio and Political commentary. Per definition all those systems could not co-exist but in this world of slander and ignoring those "Others" this is what you get.
Look at this forum since 2015, it went from the Right screaming "Everyone is a snowflakes" to "Posting like snowflakes within 2 years. I have never seen so many demand 100% loyalty for anyone in the USA outside of gangs and Pimps. Not American that is for sure.
Dan Bongino sums up the difference in how liberals and conservatives see one another perfectly with this statement. The explanation runs from the 6:40 mark to the 12:12 mark of the video and goes into why having an understanding of your political opponents helps in debating the other side leading up to the 2020 presidential election.
In fairness to liberals he makes a clear distinction that there are plenty of exceptions with liberals thinking this way especially high school and more blue collar liberals being more tolerant and understanding of conservatives as opposed to liberals with higher levels of academic education so it's not a blanket repudiation of liberals.
The point he makes is in response to a study that found that the higher the education level a liberal achieves the more socially clueless they are in understanding conservatives, their political opponents.
According to the study, high school educated liberals are 3 times more likely to understand their conservative opponents than liberals with a graduate or doctoral degree. Bongino makes an excellent point on why that is. No such correlation was found when looking at different education levels among conservatives and their understanding of liberals btw.
Wrong.
We conservatives use the mere projectionism of the liberal to gauge them, and I for one, will quote Crooked Hillary Rodham Clinton to tag the lot of them... Irredeemable scumbuckets of putrid puke.
Case in point,
spitting in Eric Trump's face... and being ok with that...
Observing the work of the Blamestream Lamestream Fakestream Mainstream media, the FBI the CIA, the NSA, the DOJ, the IRS, the Academia, Hollywood, and all their bias against Trump and the fact that he beat all they ass and all yous ass and y'all are still ok with that.
Y'alls treatment of Sarah Huckabee Sanders, Sarah Palin, Trump's wife and children etc. and have the shriveled raisins to call him a misogynist.
Etc, etc, etc...
Can't wait for 2020!
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*Conservatives on this forum, generally speaking, are not skeptical of manmade climate change. They flat out deny it without doing any research into the topic and completely ignore the research of others. We've had relatively few threads on what to do about climate change. We've had a lot of threads about whether or not manmade climate change exists or not, and that's what they all turn into: a few people doing research and then the research gets buried beneath dozens of stubborn conservatives ranting away about how the libs want to turn the U.S. into a communism.
*Conservatives on this forum generally do not express concern about government provided healthcare. That would imply research and making sound arguments as opposed to the ideological rantings that usually happen instead. You've done more research into this topic than I've seen on this forum before.
By all means, please, post threads about that stuff. Nobody else posts intelligent threads about that stuff.
I agree about the right being hounded more by social media and such...but the right has plenty of views that just don't make any sense.
*People talk about how taxation is theft, which is clearly absurd. The left has nothing comparable to that level of delusion. The left doesn't have the equivalent of anarcho-capitalists. The democratic socialism a segment of the left wants has been tried before, and it's worked. It's just resulted in a different kind of society than America...and the right keeps comparing that to communism.
*People think abortion is murder, or don't understand how it could actually help the fetus. Again, the left has nothing comparable to that level of delusion.
*If someone's going to talk about banning sodomy, or mosques, or Islam, it's going to be a conservative. The left has nothing comparing to that level of delusion.
*The right has people who are so deluded they're not even willing to research global warming. They just flat out don't believe respectable organizations like NASA and the international community of our fellow first world nations because they read right wing propaganda websites and refuse to listen to counter points.
In my view, we have the right, who have far too many outright crackpots for me to be comfortable voting for. Then we have the left, who are a mixture of people I agree with and disagree with.
Wrong.
The day you liberals spend 5 seconds going after China and India about climate change is the second we will realize you are not screaming at the moon.
The United States of America, aka the best place in the Universe, has been and will fix the planet.
It will just do it much quicker when the politicized weaponized Federal Government gets out of the way and lets we good people of the earth do it.
Really? I don't see it that way at all. Sure, I don't doubt there are a handful of conservative trolls on here but it's been my experience that conservatives here and elsewhere generally deal in logic when debating liberals on their policies whereas liberals in many cases often argue based on emotion when the logic of their argument breaks down.
How many times on here does a reasonably non controversial conservative point of view on here get mocked or ridiculed without even the slightest attempt by those mocking it to logically debunk or debate the argument or point of view being made? I get it...both sides are guilty to some degree of going straight to name calling and there are some angry conservatives that paint every progressive idea with the Marxist, Communist, America hating label. Point noted.
A very strong argument can be made that liberals go the demonization route much faster and more often than conservatives. Far too often legitimate concerns and skepticism from conservatives about the potential negative economic effects of many of the Democratic presidential nominees for example are met with personal attacks and character assassinations calling the conservative skeptic raising legitimate and sincere concerns a racist, sexist, homophobe, Islamaphobe, xenophobe, bigot, or most ironically of all a fascist. That happens far, far, far more often on this board than the other way around. How is that not a crazy whack a mole mentality?
Skeptical that we shouldn't risk wrecking our entire economy to be beholden to the UN on climate change while China, India, and Russia get a pass despite spewing far more carbon emissions and pollution into the atmosphere? The liberal response is "shut up and get on board you racist conservative bigot. Why do you hate women and children?" Concerned that radical and colossally massive governmental takeovers of the economy and healthcare called for in the GND and Medicare could very well lead to doctor shortages, rationed healthcare, the destruction of hundreds of millions of citizens healthcare that like their private health insurance, the complete elimination of the country's energy industry and the millions high paying jobs it supports, the implementation of an energy plan based on technology that doesn't even currently exist? Not to mention the fact that these two policies alone would more than double the existing annual federal spending budget from a budget that is already driving up the national debt and will drive up tenfold if these policies are ever implemented. Legitimate concerns raised by conservatives on all is met by "you're a racist!!" by liberals and conservatives are the problem? How the frick is that in any way reasonable?
*Conservatives on this forum, generally speaking, are not skeptical of manmade climate change. They flat out deny it without doing any research into the topic and completely ignore the research of others. We've had relatively few threads on what to do about climate change. We've had a lot of threads about whether or not manmade climate change exists or not, and that's what they all turn into: a few people doing research and then the research gets buried beneath dozens of stubborn conservatives ranting away about how the libs want to turn the U.S. into a communism.
*Conservatives on this forum generally do not express concern about government provided healthcare. That would imply research and making sound arguments as opposed to the ideological rantings that usually happen instead. You've done more research into this topic than I've seen on this forum before.
By all means, please, post threads about that stuff. Nobody else posts intelligent threads about that stuff.
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I could go into other areas about suppression of the free speech of conservatives by big tech and down many other roads to show how bad it is but the point of the video I linked in the OP is that liberals feel emboldened and justified to either s### all over conservatives or completely ignore any reasonable concerns they have on many of the aforementioned issues because many of them sincerely believe that conservatives as a whole are "bad people".
I agree about the right being hounded more by social media and such...but the right has plenty of views that just don't make any sense.
*The left doesn't have the equivalent of anarcho-capitalists. The democratic socialism a segment of the left wants has been tried before, and it's worked. It's just resulted in a different kind of society than America...and the right keeps comparing that to communism.
*People think abortion is murder, or don't understand how it could actually help the fetus. Again, the left has nothing comparable to that level of delusion.
*If someone's going to talk about banning sodomy, or mosques, or Islam, it's going to be a conservative. The left has nothing comparing to that level of delusion.
*The right has people who are so deluded they're not even willing to research global warming. They just flat out don't believe respectable organizations like NASA and the international community of our fellow first world nations because they read right wing propaganda websites and refuse to listen to counter points.
*If someone wants to punish criminals over trivial crimes like pot...it's probably going to be a conservative. I don't think the left has anything comparable to that level of pointless destructiveness.
*As far as research is concerned...right-leaning stuff is far more often more likely to be biased than left-leaning stuff, because the left-leaning stuff tends to be supported by science and psychologists whereas the right-leaning stuff tends to be supported by the church.
We need to boot the crazy people out of the right. We need to create some kind of four party system, because right now the right doesn't have a place for all the crazy people to go besides the Republican party. Once we create another party, all the crackpots who want to ban mosques, and abortion, and who think Earth is 10,000 years old, and want to ban sodomy can go there and hopefully we'll be left with a libertarian-ish Republican party filled with the small-business owners and creative entrepreneurs who just want the government to get out of their hair.
We can probably do something similar with the left...except that there is no crazy left-leaning large group. There'd just be the socialists (who have ideas that may be risky, but which have worked for other nations, more or less) and the more traditional Democrats).
After that, we can hopefully just sweep all the crazy political party right-wingers under the rug, and they'll never be elected again, and then people can vote for the right without being concerned about someone with a thought process that makes no sense whatsoever being placed in power.
Yeah...I think the left does view the right as containing more bad people, as opposed to the right viewing the left as people with bad ideas...because it's less the specific views of the right that people fear, but more that their party so often endorses views that are blatantly absurd that result in people distrusting the conservative party. We lose our trust of people with absurd views and view them as bad people, regardless of what specific ideas they might have later.
That said, what I would really like would be for people to discuss specific ideas more than talk about how one side is worse than the other.
Just about everything from the Left is based on facts. From climate change to guns control to "trickle down economics doesn't work" to "there is no WMD".
The Right-wing is so delusional they started wars based on their vivid imagination. That's a fact.
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You make the commentators point perfectly with such arrogant, self righteous certainty that every liberal position you hold is righteous and the gospel truth. No room for any possibility that you might not be 100% right on everything in your world huh?
You're at least mostly correct about the WMDs and GW Bush's and the complete fiasco trainwreck known as the Iraq War. There were plenty of people on both sides of the aisle that fell for it in supporting the Iraq war but yes that was a colossal f up on W's part.
The left deals in rock solid facts and logic on climate change? Really? Many on the left aren't even honest enough to acknowledge that the vast majority of conservatives believe that the climate is warming so there's no reasonable way they can even debate liberals on the subject. The general argument seems to be that because conservatives don't want to see our economy
suffer and energy prices soar through the roof while China, India, and Russia are given a free pass to do whatever the hell they'd like son that we might lower the earth's temperature 2/10s of a degree in 30 years we're "science deniers" and hate women, children, and want to see people die.
Did you ever think that maybe...just maybe we aren't arrogant enough to think humans can control something as huge and incredibly complex as the earth's atmosphere and climate or we just happen to believe as a matter of practical reality that it may be more realistic to prepare for and mitigate the future effects of climate change the best we can without overwhelming and potentially wrecking the economy in the first process of trying to stop inevitable and unstoppable climate change effects that eventually WILL eventually happen no matter how much carbon emissions we eliminate?
The left is always correct on gun control? Says who? Only a complete government confiscation of guns from all registered guns owned by law abiding citizens would put a dent in the number of guns in the hands of citizens but would do nothing about the millions of guns still in the possession of those who don't follow the gun laws anyway and are committed the vast majority of gun murders inthe first place. Small safety measures are one thing but government confiscation of the guns of millions of law abiding citizens isn't going to deter or stop 90% or more of the gun murders commited by the people breaking the gun laws we already have on the books. Saying that liberals are always right on gun control is laughable. Many of the left's positions on gun control are wildly unpopular.
Trickle down economics don't work? Yet another economic theory the left misinterprets (perhaps willingly). The Reagan, Bush, and Trump tax cuts ALL led to higher tax revenue collected by the government compared to just before they were implemented. Arguing that the amount of tax revenue collected WOULD have been higher if the tax cuts weren't implemented is completel hypothetical. The tax revenue either goes up or down and in all cases it went up after the taxes were cut. The fact that people tax revenue went up AND citizens got to keep more of THEIR own money makes it even better. The reverse has also proven to be true when tax hikes were implemented. Total tax revenue collections have historically gone down. Government SPENDING has been THE problem that neither side has had any discipline or political courage to control. Both parties have been miserable failures when it comes to uncontrolled spending.
Yeah...I think the left does view the right as containing more bad people, as opposed to the right viewing the left as people with bad ideas...because it's less the specific views of the right that people fear, but more that their party so often endorses views that are blatantly absurd that result in people distrusting the conservative party. We lose our trust of people with absurd views and view them as bad people, regardless of what specific ideas they might have later
I respect your willingness to take the time to actually try to understand the points I was trying to make and being willing to debate them in a reasonable manner. I mean that sincerely btw and agree with you that I too wish people would dig much deeper when it comes to discussing or debating different policy positions and get past the vitriol and name calling.
Having said that, I have to, with all due respect, strongly disagree with the characterization that the policies/ideas the Republican Party endorses are "patently absurd". That's a curious statement especially considering how "out there" the policies are in AOC's version of a Green New Deal. I suppose there could be a Republican policy out there that is being as publically and as enthusiastically endorsed by Republicans as much as her GND proposal has been by her fellow Democrats colleagues in Congress but I haven't seen one...at least one that has been as enthusiastically as the GND was when it was first announced as a policy goal.
Same thing for the promises with the "Medicare for All" that in Bernie's proposal at least...calls for the elimination of private insurance for as many as 180,000,000 Americans most of which are satisfied with their plans. His plan will cut doctor/hospital's reimbursement rates by 40% forcing many doctor's offices and hospitals out of business, flood the system with a massive increase in doctor and hospital visits causing the doctors that are still in business to see far more patients each day than they are capable of seeing, longer and longer wait times for time sensitive care, etc not to mention inevitable ballooning up of costs that seems inevitable in any government run program. The annual cost to taxpayers is estimated to be 3.2 trillion a year yet many somehow many believe that only "those in the top 1% not paying their fair share".
The Democratic presidential nominees all vowing that their healthcare plans will give hundreds of thousands if not millions of illegal immigrants government funded healthcare is pretty absurd too. Bernie's stance on allowing convicted felons to vote while still in prison. The sudden calls for the abolition of the centuries old Electoral College, the sudden calls to pack the Supreme Court, pushing a new standard of justice that now assumes you're guilty until proven innocent if the prosecutors can't prove you didn't commit a crime. The idea that faking a hate crime and falsely accusing someone or some group is ok as long as it "starts an important conversation about _______ (racism, misogyny, etc)"
I could go on but it would literally take a full day to list all the progressive policies and ideas being endorsed by the progressive wing of the Democratic party that with all due respect to your earlier point could be considered much more "patently absurd" or the friendlier term I prefer "economically unrealistic".
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