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Old 07-30-2019, 07:08 AM
 
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Calm down. She accepts lots of "donations" from the medical industrial complex. This is just empty rhetoric. Big business will still be firmly in charge of policy if she is elected. And employer based insurance makes sure business has tremendous power over workers. That is not something they are prepared to give up without a fight.
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Old 07-30-2019, 07:36 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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Calm down. She accepts lots of "donations" from the medical industrial complex. This is just empty rhetoric. Big business will still be firmly in charge of policy if she is elected. And employer based insurance makes sure business has tremendous power over workers. That is not something they are prepared to give up without a fight.
You win this thread.

Once again changing the supply end while completely ignoring the cost end.

The original post has a terrible link with almost no details. Even CNN did a better job and that is scary.

Google it and select a network to ones political liking. Pretty much all of them did a better job. Scroll down about 6 to 8 for less leftish sourcing.
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Old 07-30-2019, 07:44 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Health care isn't free. So do you pretty strongly think that poor people should be denied treatment for their illnesses by the government and they learn to accept being sick as a daily way of life?
The government wouldn't be denying them anything. Read the US Constitution. Article I Section 8. Providing health care to all in the US is not an enumerated power/responsibility of the federal government.

It could be the purview of each state. The people of each state could decide whether or not their state government will provide health care to all in that state. But they'd have to tax the hell out of their residents to pay for it. Most states are already severely underwater in regards to their public employees'/retirees' pensions.

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Or should they try to get funding for their health care by privately raised funding? If so, good luck with that.
Since so many seem to support providing health care paid for by others, there should be no problem forming a charitable foundation which does exactly that. Then all the "you get, but others have to pay for it" advocates can put their money where their mouths are and voluntarily fund 100% of the need.
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Old 07-30-2019, 07:50 AM
 
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A lot of people reading this may think they are middle class, but actually are just five paychecks away from defaulting on a mortgage payment. That's not middle class.

Catastrophic illness can strike any family, and often it ends badly for the victim, leaving the family with horrendous medical bills.
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Old 07-30-2019, 07:54 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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On stocks: does this even affect the 401k's?
Yes. All pension funds, 401Ks, IRAs, etc. trade stock equities, bonds, and even derivatives (under the proposal, ALL would be taxed). In fact, US workers and retirees have $28 trillion worth of such investments held in their pensions and/or retirement accounts. Dems just can't wait to get their hands on that $28 trillion of untouched money that US workers/retirees count on being there when they need it in their retirement, to tax it.

71% of those age 55+ have a pension and/or some form of a retirement account.

As for that tax, it's even worse than it seems at first glance. Each TRADE is taxed. Therefore, each investment is taxed TWICE. Once when it is bought for the pension/retirement account portfolio, and then AGAIN when it is sold to provide liquidity for pension/retirement account draws/payouts.
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Old 07-30-2019, 07:57 AM
 
Location: Boston
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A lot of people reading this may think they are middle class, but actually are just five paychecks away from defaulting on a mortgage payment. That's not middle class.

Catastrophic illness can strike any family, and often it ends badly for the victim, leaving the family with horrendous medical bills.
At least half the people that consider themselves middle class are dirt poor, it's amusing.
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Old 07-30-2019, 07:58 AM
 
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So how does Kamala Harris intend to pay for her Medicare For All plan? Tax households making $100k or more (which is squarely middle class in most HCOL areas) and charge taxes on stock trades which is again arbitrary theft from many hardworking middle class folks who are diligently trying to save in their 401k and other accounts for retirement. Disgusting and despicable!

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics...ill-pay-for-it

"Harris’ rollout is a 3-part plan covering all medical essentials exempting households below $100,000, a higher income threshold for middle-class families living in high-cost areas"

$100,000/yr is NOT high income in high-cost areas!! Is this woman on drugs?

"To pay for these changes, she will tax Wall Street stock trades at 0.2%, bond trades at 0.1%, and derivative transactions at 0.002%."

Yeah, let's become another Europe where the government just steals and pillages from private enterprises and business, look how well it's worked for them... record unemployment, record negative business activity, horrible economies that they have not been able to jumpstart in decades.
You need to read your article again. 100K is for people not in HCOL areas. The threshold will be higher for people in HCOL.
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Old 07-30-2019, 08:04 AM
 
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Any large entitlement program must be largely paid by the middle class.
100% correct, and this is the point most people are missing. Collectively, the middle class earns the bulk of the income. There are not enough 1%-ers, and they do not earn enough to pay enough in taxes to foot the bill for all 327 million in the US.
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Old 07-30-2019, 08:06 AM
 
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She doesnt need to do this, as we were told, Obamacare if passed would be a beacon of a healthcare system for the world to envy


Someone remind her


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Old 07-30-2019, 09:59 AM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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Why not? Can't you accept that health care isn't free? Or are you fortunate enought to be on the Republican Health Care Plan--DON'T GET SICK!?
Of course it isn't free. And it's health INSURANCE, not health care.
I do pay for insurance. But I'm not rich enough to be supporting everyone else besides me.
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