Trump’s pick for managing federal lands doesn’t believe the government should have any (environmentalist, jobs)

[Dane_in_LA]

Originally Posted by thecoalman

640 million acres is controlled by the feds, is it all irreplaceable?

There are precious few resources to extract in the areas where you can drive for hours and there is nothing. But old growth forest - that's money. And I have no illusions as to what drives this administration.

Why is it that conservatives tend to get so unhappy when asked to actually conserve something?

[Ultor]

Originally Posted by rkcarguy

It's said that if Yellowstone's super volcano erupted it would be an end-of-all-life-event, for the massive amounts of ash put into the atmosphere. If we can tap that and prevent it from having a massive eruption that would be a win-win.

Yellowstone has erupted 3 times in the past 2.1 million years... it would certainly end civilization, but probably not all life (not even all humans).

[thecoalman]

Originally Posted by Dane_in_LA

There are precious few resources to extract in the areas where you can drive for hours and there is nothing. But old growth forest - that's money. And I have no illusions as to what drives this administration.

Why is it that conservatives tend to get so unhappy when asked to actually conserve something?

Potentially trillions of barrels of oil, that trillions with a T. Should it all be off limits Dane?

https://pubs.usgs.gov/dds/dds-069/dd...69_D_CH_12.pdf

The petroleum system encompasses about 7,850,000 acres (12,265 square miles) in Wyoming, Colorado, and Utah and includes areas within the Green River, Great Divide, Washakie, and Sand Wash structural basins

[thecoalman]

One other thing to add, If the feds decide to open land to mining, oil drilling or other activities the state has no control of that either. What you say now?

[rantiquity]

Originally Posted by Goodnight

Pretty much the same theme as the EPA, appointing another oil and gas and climate denier. Still Represents a company called Solenex that got a sweet deal under Reagan through James Watt leasing 6000 acres in Montana near a Blackfoot Indian reservation.

The federal government owns around 640 million acres of land (about 28 percent) of the 2.27 billion acres of land in the United States. Around 92 percent of federally owned acres are in 12 Western states.

Federal land ownership by state (as of 2013) State Federal land acreage Total state acreage Percentage of federal land Alabama 844,026 32,678,400 2.6% Alaska 223,803,098 365,481,600 61.2% Arizona 28,064,307 72,688,000 38.6% Arkansas 3,151,685 33,599,360 9.4% California 45,864,800 100,206,720 45.8% Colorado 23,870,652 66,485,760 35.9% Connecticut 8,752 3,135,360 0.3% Delaware 29,864 1,265,920 2.4% Florida 4,599,919 34,721,280 13.2% Georgia 1,474,225 37,295,360 4.0% Hawaii 820,725 4,105,600 20.0% Idaho 32,621,631 52,933,120 61.6% Illinois 411,387 35,795,200 1.1% Indiana 384,365 23,158,400 1.7% Iowa 122,076 35,860,480 0.3% Kansas 272,987 52,510,720 0.5% Kentucky 1,094,036 25,512,320 4.3% Louisiana 1,325,780 28,867,840 4.6% Maine 211,125 19,847,680 1.1% Maryland 197,894 6,319,360 3.1% Massachusetts 61,802 5,034,880 1.2% Michigan 3,633,323 36,492,160 10.0% Minnesota 3,491,586 51,205,760 6.8% Mississippi 1,546,433 30,222,720 5.1% Missouri 1,635,122 44,248,320 3.7% Montana 27,003,251 93,271,040 29.0% Nebraska 546,759 49,031,680 1.1% Nevada 59,681,502 70,264,320 84.9% New Hampshire 798,718 5,768,960 13.8% New Jersey 179,374 4,813,440 3.7% New Mexico 26,981,490 77,766,400 34.7% New York 104,590 30,680,960 0.3% North Carolina 2,429,341 31,402,880 7.7% North Dakota 1,736,611 44,452,480 3.9% Ohio 305,641 26,222,080 1.2% Oklahoma 701,365 44,087,680 1.6% Oregon 32,614,185 61,598,720 52.9% Pennsylvania 617,339 28,804,480 2.1% Rhode Island 5,157 677,120 0.8% South Carolina 846,420 19,374,080 4.4% South Dakota 2,642,601 48,881,920 5.4% Tennessee 1,273,175 26,727,680 4.8% Texas 2,998,280 168,217,600 1.8% Utah 34,202,920 52,696,960 64.9% Vermont 464,644 5,936,640 7.8% Virginia 2,514,596 25,496,320 9.9% Washington 12,176,293 42,693,760 28.5% West Virginia 1,133,587 15,410,560 7.4% Wisconsin 1,793,100 35,011,200 5.1% Wyoming 30,013,219 62,343,040 48.1% United States total 623,313,931 2,271,343,360 27.4% Source: U.S. Congressional Research Service, "Federal Land Ownership: Overview and Data"

How much federal owned land is too much?

[rantiquity]

Originally Posted by Ultor

Yellowstone has erupted 3 times in the past 2.1 million years... it would certainly end civilization, but probably not all life (not even all humans).

But, but it would be all Trump's fault...right?

[Frank DeForrest]

Originally Posted by rebeldor

Governments can't own land because governments have no rights.

Abolish all “public” property.

At least there is some sanity on this thread. People are debating over which govt, fed or state, should own the land, like choosing between the bloods and the crips.

[rebeldor]

Originally Posted by Frank DeForrest

At least there is some sanity on this thread. People are debating over which govt, fed or state, should own the land, like choosing between the bloods and the crips.

They're arguing over how much socialism is acceptable.

[Goodnight]

Originally Posted by rantiquity

Federal land ownership by state (as of 2013) State Federal land acreage Total state acreage Percentage of federal land Alabama 844,026 32,678,400 2.6% Alaska 223,803,098 365,481,600 61.2% Arizona 28,064,307 72,688,000 38.6% Arkansas 3,151,685 33,599,360 9.4% California 45,864,800 100,206,720 45.8% Colorado 23,870,652 66,485,760 35.9% Connecticut 8,752 3,135,360 0.3% Delaware 29,864 1,265,920 2.4% Florida 4,599,919 34,721,280 13.2% Georgia 1,474,225 37,295,360 4.0% Hawaii 820,725 4,105,600 20.0% Idaho 32,621,631 52,933,120 61.6% Illinois 411,387 35,795,200 1.1% Indiana 384,365 23,158,400 1.7% Iowa 122,076 35,860,480 0.3% Kansas 272,987 52,510,720 0.5% Kentucky 1,094,036 25,512,320 4.3% Louisiana 1,325,780 28,867,840 4.6% Maine 211,125 19,847,680 1.1% Maryland 197,894 6,319,360 3.1% Massachusetts 61,802 5,034,880 1.2% Michigan 3,633,323 36,492,160 10.0% Minnesota 3,491,586 51,205,760 6.8% Mississippi 1,546,433 30,222,720 5.1% Missouri 1,635,122 44,248,320 3.7% Montana 27,003,251 93,271,040 29.0% Nebraska 546,759 49,031,680 1.1% Nevada 59,681,502 70,264,320 84.9% New Hampshire 798,718 5,768,960 13.8% New Jersey 179,374 4,813,440 3.7% New Mexico 26,981,490 77,766,400 34.7% New York 104,590 30,680,960 0.3% North Carolina 2,429,341 31,402,880 7.7% North Dakota 1,736,611 44,452,480 3.9% Ohio 305,641 26,222,080 1.2% Oklahoma 701,365 44,087,680 1.6% Oregon 32,614,185 61,598,720 52.9% Pennsylvania 617,339 28,804,480 2.1% Rhode Island 5,157 677,120 0.8% South Carolina 846,420 19,374,080 4.4% South Dakota 2,642,601 48,881,920 5.4% Tennessee 1,273,175 26,727,680 4.8% Texas 2,998,280 168,217,600 1.8% Utah 34,202,920 52,696,960 64.9% Vermont 464,644 5,936,640 7.8% Virginia 2,514,596 25,496,320 9.9% Washington 12,176,293 42,693,760 28.5% West Virginia 1,133,587 15,410,560 7.4% Wisconsin 1,793,100 35,011,200 5.1% Wyoming 30,013,219 62,343,040 48.1% United States total 623,313,931 2,271,343,360 27.4% Source: U.S. Congressional Research Service, "Federal Land Ownership: Overview and Data"

How much federal owned land is too much?

Yes they own more land out west, I wish they would have preserved more in the east, the manner in which we viewed land changed as we progressed. We realized it wasn’t a limitless resource.

[509]

Originally Posted by Frank DeForrest

Ignoring for the moment that there should be no federal govt as it is an illegitimate entity; why should the fed govt own any land that doesnt have a fed building on it?
As it stands, it owns almost a third of the land mass that makes up the US.

Because there is more to life on this planet than humans.

The Federal government is the only large enough entity that can protect and preserve natural ecosystems. Historically, the states have mis-managed their public lands. At some point we need natural ecosystems to survive as humans.

Here in Washington state....the left-wing Jay Inslee has destroyed well over 200,000 acres of endangered shrub-steppe habitat in the state over ruling local zoning laws and permitting Industrial Wind Areas.

ps....I voted for Trump. I would also like to see him remove that damn DAM in Yosemite National Park.

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