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Old 09-17-2019, 04:27 PM
 
Location: Kennedy Heights, Ohio. USA
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Two days ago Trump was certain as his intelligence had come to the conclusion that it was Iran who did it and therefore USA was locked and loaded. Now two days later he strongly 'suspects' it's indeed Iran but he is no rush until there was a definitive answer He still believes he's Trump of early 2000 when he used to say what people and his friends wanted to hear no matter if there was absolutely no truth in it.
Notice the language of "most likely" and "strongly suspect". Maybe Trump goes to Congress and press for a Gulf Of Tonkin" like resolution against Iran. Trump, Pompeo and Netanyahu gets the war they crave as Congress sangs "God Bless America" while the media enthusiastically cheers on. Defense contractor stocks rallies to new highs. Anyone who dissents will be attacked as being unpatriotic.

The US is conducting psychological warfare against Iran. The US is trying to unnerve Iran by making them think that an imminent attack from the US is upon them, causing them anxiety waiting for the inevitable military strike, unnerving them to the point that they strike first out of the fear of use it or lose it if they let America strike first.

Trump does not want to strike 1st because another US military intervention in the Mideast could be costly, especially towards the economy and his reelection prospects. The US is trying to bait Iran into striking 1st at US military targets in the Gulf so Trump can say he had no choice but to strike back.

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Old 09-17-2019, 04:29 PM
 
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Wat makes people suspect iran? They are not a failed state like afg or pakistan . Human resource wise They were liberal, educated and successful before 1979'. Is it just that people have peoblems with the curent government who backstabbed usa?
LOL, the US backstabbed Iran two or three times first.
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Old 09-17-2019, 04:32 PM
 
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Your post makes no sense. First of all Carter was President during the 1979 shortage triggered by price controls and the turmoil in Iran. Second of all we now are either independent or exporters. Third of all, the times that lines coincided with odd-even rationing was measured in days; in both March 1974 and July 1979 the lines abated almost immediately upon the institution of those rules.

One of our memories are faulty.
I said Carter was president after the oil embargo...which he was.

I said that he pushed ending US reliance on OPEC oil...which he did.

What's confusing to you?
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Old 09-17-2019, 04:43 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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The Iran deal was a farce from the beginning, they got much while giving up almost nothing;
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/23/o...atal-flaw.html
https://www.heritage.org/global-poli...amas-iran-deal

Iran acknowledged that it violated the terms of the deal with no consequences - this was before the Oct 2017 decertification or "tear up"
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-i...-idUSKBN1342T1

Iran also has defied UN Resolutions before that point also
https://apnews.com/ea3fd6a8db444672b58051c1834542d7

Iran is supporting these attacks
https://www.thenational.ae/world/men...s-say-1.815367

The deal was never technically approved by the US . According to the JCPOA, every 90 days the President of the United States would certify, among other things, that Iran was adhering to the terms of the agreement. Iran did not follow these agreements - and hasn't for years. You seem to think the US was just going to roll over.
They were in compliance with the deal, they exceeded soft targets once and they had UN inspectors to make sure they adhered to the agreement. The deal was to address their nuclear capability, there were other sanctions to address their support for terrorism. The agreement was a move towards peace and it wasn't given enough time, there was absolutely no upside to our withdrawal.


So where does Trump go with this now, is he going to put together a coalition of several countries to address their attack on SA, good luck with China and Russia and our allies.


Trump never thought this through, he thought Iran would cave in, he was wrong and now he ony has one option if the American people tolerate another war.
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Old 09-17-2019, 05:02 PM
 
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We didn't have the U.S. production in 2010, 11-12 we do now. We are the largest oil producer in the world, and a net exporter of energy. Yes, Saudi and other countries can raise world and U.S. market prices, but nothing like they used to. Thank Trump's Energy Policy.
Obamabutt did not want us drilling for more oil.
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Old 09-17-2019, 05:06 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Obamabutt did not want us drilling for more oil.
The price of oil dropped under Obama and they increased after the SA attack. Trump has nothing to do with the price of oil and neither did Obama. The price of Oil is global
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Old 09-17-2019, 05:07 PM
 
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It's called "future costs."

If you sell hamburgers in your restaurant and buy beef at $3/pound, then hoof and mouth disease creates a beef shortage so beef is now $7/pound, you must raise your hamburger prices now to be able to buy beef in the future.

And, drilling off-shore won't help.

There's one market for oils, and that's the global market. There isn't a global market and a separate US market that sells oil cheaper.

If I can sell a barrel of oil for $109 why would I be stupid and sell it at $50?

Also, there's a reason why oil companies aren't lobbying hard for off-shore drilling and that's because that oil is no good.

Your gasoline supply is fixed.

You have a limited number of refineries in the US and less than half actually produce gasoline. The majority of refineries produce The American Life-Styleâ„¢.

Light oils produce 21 - 27 gallons of gasoline per barrel.

Intermediate oils produce 13 - 19 gallons of gasoline per barrel.

Heavy oils produce 9-11 gallons of gasoline per barrel.

One reason you were dependent upon Middle East oil is because it is nearly all light oil. That allows you to increase the supply of gasoline without the need to build new oil refineries.

If you rely solely on US oil, your gasoline supply will decrease, and with demand being constant, gasoline prices rise.

The other issue is the quality of the oils. US oils tend to have high Sulfur content.

It is both costly and time-consuming --which reduces or hampers gasoline supply -- to remove Sulfur from US oils to meet EPA Tier III standards.

It takes about 17 years to build an oil refinery. Even if a President ordered it to be fast-tracked for national security, you're still talking 11 years or so.
My oil is good 34 miles offshore from where i live as we drilled 3 test bores in diff parts of the west gulf. One was 34 miles northwest of Clearwater FL in 90ft, one was southwest 73 miles in 180ft and one was west in 250ft 87 miles offshore.
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Old 09-17-2019, 05:08 PM
 
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The price of oil dropped under Obama and they increased after the SA attack. Trump has nothing to do with the price of oil and neither did Obama. The price of Oil is global
Oil was sky high under him for years.
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Old 09-17-2019, 05:39 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Oil was sky high under him for years.
It was for a few years and then it dropped, he had nothing to do with either but the right wing blamed him for higher oil prices.
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Old 09-17-2019, 05:46 PM
 
Location: Here
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Time for SA to put some of those purchased arms to use.
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