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Old 09-18-2019, 06:52 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Bad dog owners create bad dogs. The same is true of people. Bad parents create bad children. They don't teach them how to behave, how to respect, how to be responsible.
While that is true most of the time, it is not as simple as blame the parents. There are many single mothers in poor neighborhoods (and elsewhere) who try, but are overwhelmed with multiple jobs and multiple kids.

I know wealthy parents who do what they can, and their kids are in constant trouble. One guy in our golf league has spent lot of money getting in professional help, but nothing seems to work with that kid.
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Old 09-18-2019, 07:10 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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You get 5-6 others and you form a roving gang beating and stealing like these 15-27yo's they just arrested in Minneapolis. Crime dropped huge when they got these guys off the streets.


https://twitter.com/Cara_TXZEAL/stat...33429576454146
Nice, they caught those barbarians.
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Old 09-18-2019, 07:11 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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While that is true most of the time, it is not as simple as blame the parents. There are many single mothers in poor neighborhoods (and elsewhere) who try, but are overwhelmed with multiple jobs and multiple kids.

I know wealthy parents who do what they can, and their kids are in constant trouble. One guy in our golf league has spent lot of money getting in professional help, but nothing seems to work with that kid.
multiple kids



That sounds like the problem
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Old 09-18-2019, 07:15 AM
 
Location: Florida
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multiple kids

That sounds like the problem
Yes, as in more than one, which is quite common. If you have three kids, and the husband walks away, you can't dial back time and erase the kids. They are still your responsibility.

I was raised in a family of 4 kids, and I don't know what my mother would have done if my father had walked away or died when we were young.

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Old 09-18-2019, 07:22 AM
 
Location: The State Of California
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Very true. The fact that the vast majority of us also seem to navigate life without resorting to Thuggery or crime would indicate it is not so m much society but individual flaw. My son is black and like all kids challenged authority at times. That didn't mean I made excuses or allowances. Call me old school but my kids weren't allowed out past 10 until after they graduated from H.S.

Coming home late was not an option nor a forgivable offense. I didn't need a village to maintain discipline in my home or with my children. That's a cop out if there ever was one.

Those three young men met the fate they bargained for and society is better for it. It is a sad ending and the lost potential is the greatest tragedy. My son is adopted and if left where he was he might have turned out that way as well. LOL now he is a welder, likes to hunt and fish, has a massive garden, makes his own beer and wine and owns the house he grew up in. Didn't need a village for that. Just needed a dad that didn't allow for excuses or attempt to be the BFF. I owned my children's behavior and taught them that their actions reflect upon their family. Don't bring shame to the family.


Jesus the Christ groomed Judas to be an Apostle for 3 and 1/2 years and look where that got him. You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make him drink. I raised my three children in church some of the things taught them stuck some of the things taught them slipped and fell by the Wayside.

Oh by the way I liked another post of yours where you said that you took the door off of your kids room(s ) ..lol...i did the exact same thing myself , otherwise they would have ran all over me.
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Old 09-18-2019, 07:38 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Yes, as in more than one, which is quite common. If you have three kids, and the husband walks away, you can't dial back time and erase the kids. They are still your responsibility.

I was raised in a family of 4 kids, and I don't know what my mother would have done if my father had walked away or died when we were young.
I am hoping she wouldn't have had more kids! You know as well as me most of these types have multiple kids from multiple men. My kids school has plenty of them.

We had a serious problem with one of his "friends" who went off on him online during a game one night. Threatening him and what not because he hated the fact my son had two parents and he got to live in a house vs an apt.
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Old 09-18-2019, 07:57 AM
 
Location: Florida
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We had a serious problem with one of his "friends" who went off on him online during a game one night. Threatening him and what not because he hated the fact my son had two parents and he got to live in a house vs an apt.
He told you his was motivated by the fact that your kid had two parents? That's weird.

Yes, it does NOT help when the father is absent, be he dead, in prison, in the military, or just walked away.

Try to see issues from multiple angles, as opposed to just one angle.
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Old 09-18-2019, 08:11 AM
 
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People should be able to defend themselves in their own homes. It's sad, but when people break in, they get what they get.
Thank you for the bolded. I commented several pages ago about how this event was a tragedy, even if the boys brought it on themselves. But everyone else on this thread is just going on celebrating their deaths and saying how society is better off. Callous, cold and definitely unchristian.
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Old 09-18-2019, 08:54 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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That’s how some folks wind down; in their driveway with their AR15’s waiting for masked arm robbers. Nothing illegal about that.

Mr. AR15 made short work of these thugs. Everyone should own one, or 7
When I was a kid, there was an outbreak of vandalism and burglary in our neighborhood. And because the police, as good as they are, simply can't be everywhere at once to prevent all crimes, the neighborhood fathers organized and several located a certain number of houses apart took a watch each night on a rotating basis, sitting in lawn chairs in their front yards, armed with rifles, handguns... whatever firearm they had.

What do you think happened as a result? No one was shot. No need. The criminals chose to vandalize and steal elsewhere and leave our neighborhood alone.
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Old 09-18-2019, 09:04 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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He told you his was motivated by the fact that your kid had two parents? That's weird.

Yes, it does NOT help when the father is absent, be he dead, in prison, in the military, or just walked away.

Try to see issues from multiple angles, as opposed to just one angle.
His Dad was in prison for get this, raping his mother. She has an affliction for felons as the last few she's been with were all in and out.

We had multiple birthday parties when we realized how many single parents there were. Some divorced but mostly single moms.
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