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[quote=mike0618;56300289]Where is the proof that prosecutor was corrupt? And why was it the VP place to demand his firing? At the least the optics were very bad since his son worked for the company that the prosecutor was investigating. But you lefties don’t see anything there because joe said its a closed issue so it must be fine.[/QUOTE}They don't need no stinking proof. They just need (in their own minds) to say it, and we are just supposed to believe them.
Irony here is that based on the nature of the treaty, the Dems would have a better shot at impeaching President Trump if he had NOT reached out and inquired about investigating Biden.
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. The CIA? Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. The FBI? Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. The State Dept? Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!
He can, was required to, and did as he saw fit, and in compliance with the above cited Treaty.
Why do feel the need to second-guess President Trump (as if you are even remotely qualified to do so).
Why you were so ho hum with much worse things were done by the previous occupt of the Oval Office?
Glad you think it's funny.
I doubt Donnie Divot is going to find it quite so amusing, however.
Where is the proof that prosecutor was corrupt? And why was it the VP place to demand his firing? At the least the optics were very bad since his son worked for the company that the prosecutor was investigating. But you lefties don’t see anything there because joe said its a closed issue so it must be fine.
There is a lot of proof he was corrupt. The first clue is that he never once prosecuted a single company there for corruption (his main job). He took bribes to shut down investigations.
Its totally the VP's place to demand his firing. Obama put Biden as his man to deal with Ukraine. A goal was to root out corrupt guys like Shokin before they got more aid money, lest they find ways to steal it.
Shokin closed the investigation long before he was fired. So it literally makes no sense to demand he be fired for not doing what Trump says he was doing. There is no evidence of Trump's claims at all.
Stop calling all people who realize this fake claim lefties. The lefties love it because they see Biden as a threat to their communist Warran.
I haven't heard that any other country sent a representative to threaten to not send money if the prosecutor wasn't fired. Joe did that all by himself.
He didn't do it all by himself. He did it as part of the Obama administration. He did it because the prosecutor at thetime was NOT investigating corruption going on at Burisma.
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Joe Biden has actually boasted about his work in Ukraine as a spokesperson for the White House and the West generally. He called for the ouster of the top Ukrainian prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, for what was widely seen as his failure to investigate corruption.
In March 2016, Biden made one of his many trips to Ukraine and told the country's leaders that they had to get rid of the prosecutor if they wanted $1 billion in U.S. aid. Biden told the story last year at the Council on Foreign Relations:
"I said, 'You're not getting the [$1 billion]. I'm leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you're not getting the money.' Well, son of a b****. He got fired," Biden said.
As for the suggestion that no other country wanted the prosecutor sacked, there's this --
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Anders Aslund, a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council in Washington, D.C., said that Mr. Biden was making the same demands that other lenders to the Ukrainian government were making.
“Everyone in the Western community wanted Shokin sacked,” he said. “The whole G-7, the IMF, the EBRD, everybody was united that Shokin must go, and the spokesman for this was Joe Biden.”
He's doing his job as mandated weeding out corruption. Your irrelevant objections notwithstanding. Draining the swamp.
Got it? Let that sink in.
Trump is the good guy, Biden and the rest of the swamp, who have been eating out the heart and soul of America for decades are the bad guys, as are those who support them or look the other way.
Listen up. Trump WILL prevail, and the swamp WILL be drained and filled in with patriots and true Americans. If that is a "problem" for you, seek citizenship and residency elsewhere forthwith.
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Originally Posted by Scooby Snacks
You want to talk about draining the swamp? Let's start with the:
1. Hush money payments to Stormy Daniels leading to the lawyer's charges
2. 6 cabinet officials resigned after misusing OUR yaxpayer funds (Scott Pruitt, Steve Mnuchin, Ryan Zinke, Ben Carson, among others
3. Kellyanne Conway's ethics violations when she used her position to promote her position to promote Ivanka's fashion line
4. Paul Manafort
5. Michael Flynn
6. George Papadopulos lying to the FBI
7. Using his position as POTUS to increase Mar-a-Lago membership fees and enrich himself in other ways
I could go on, but it will fill a book.
What's this about Trump draining the swamp?
Seems like OP forgot to respond to my comment about all the scandals caused by Trump himself, his employees, and the swamp creatures he associates with. How odd!
Yes, Joe Biden, in service to the Obama administration, took the lead in getting a Ukrainian prosecutor, who in MANY people's opinion wasn't doing a good job, fired. He didn't act independently of the Obama administration, he acted at their behest.
You are missing the REASON Trump said what he said to the Ukrainian leader. He never mentioned any quid pro quo (unlike Biden), and had nothing to do with any coercion or "forcing".
In fact, Trump's call was REQUIRED by U.N treaty, where signatories pledged to communicate with each other about corruption involving their mutual countries, exchange information, etc.... just as Trump did.
Bottom line, he was fired because Bidien threatened to withhold $1B in foreign aid.... period.
That's a bribe, pure and simple. Vacuous claims that he was corrupt or whatever, whatever, whatever, are mere chaff, diversions so to speak from the underlying, immutable fact that it was a bribe. All the Yahbuts in the world can't change that essential fact.
Trump is on the side of right, Biden and the rest of the DemocRATs are on the side of wrong, if not abject evil.
The prosecutor was fired probably in part because of Biden's threat. However, bottom line is that Biden was acting on behest of the United States. The Obama administration had asked him to help get that prosecutor, who was considered by MANY to not being effective, removed. Biden didn't go after this prosecutor on his own, he didn't go after the prosecutor to protect his son. Trump is not on the side of right. He abused the authority of the office of the President of the United States to serve himself, and only himself, politically.
Oh, so if Joe Biden abused his position as Vice President and demanded a quid pro quo for the U.S. sending $millions in aid to Ukraine... but had a "right reason"... suddenly it was no longer a crime?
When did THAT law change???
Joe Biden didn't abuse his position as Vice President. He was asked to help get this prosecutor removed, and that's what he did. President Trump did abuse his position as President. When he asked, as President, that the Ukrainian President do him a favor, that favor wasn't to the United States, it was a favor to the Trump candidate for the 2020 election.
They are not the same, and you cannot make them be the same. Spin and spin and spin, but at the end of the day, President Trump doesn't seem to understand that his financial life has to be separate from the Presidency, and his campaign has to be separate from the Presidency. Sadly, many Trump supporters don't seem to understand this or simply don't care.
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