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Old 10-01-2019, 10:10 AM
 
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Their possibly corrupt prosecutor is none of our business.


None of Obama's business.

None of Biden's business.

None of the UN's business.


Would you allow a foreign leader to demand the removal of any US prosecutor because they thought he was corrupt?


We'd tell them to pound sand.

And rightly so.
I explained why other countries and the UN were concerned. They were concerned, and Biden was asked to help get the prosecutor removed. He did what he was told to do.

 
Old 10-01-2019, 10:11 AM
 
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What Treaty are you talking about?


The Treaty Between Corrupt Presidents of Crooked Countries and Insane US Presidents?


Was that treaty approved by Congress?
The one that the OP pulled out their arse.
 
Old 10-01-2019, 10:14 AM
 
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So......

Once again, it's only bad when Trump does it.

Anyone else, and it's A-OK....
Trump was looking for dirt on a political opponent.

We know this because Rudy told us so.

It's bad when an American President uses his office to promote his political campaign, especially bad when that President uses his office to get foreign leaders to help him promote his political aspirations.
 
Old 10-01-2019, 10:15 AM
 
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I explained why other countries and the UN were concerned. They were concerned, and Biden was asked to help get the prosecutor removed. He did what he was told to do.



Sounds like you are endorsing meddling in the affairs of other countries.....

Isn't that what the Left always gets it's panties in a wad about when the Right does it?
 
Old 10-01-2019, 10:17 AM
 
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How is it political gain?

Neither Biden or Trump even has their party's nominations at this point.


So.....

You want to impeach Trump over what you think his intentions were about something that might eventually happen.....


Lol.

Doesn't sound much like a "High crime or Misdemeanor" to me.....


Talk about disconnect....
It's political gain because at the time of the phone call, Biden and Trump were the frontrunners to win their parties' nominations.

I don't particularly want to impeach Trump over this, but I really, really, really want Trump supporters to understand that President Trump is not ethical, and doesn't really care about his fellow Americans.
 
Old 10-01-2019, 10:20 AM
 
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It has been investigated already. Is Trump required by treaty to LIE as well?

https://twitter.com/RichardEngel/sta...40483184238592
 
Old 10-01-2019, 10:21 AM
 
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It's political gain because at the time of the phone call, Biden and Trump were the frontrunners to win their parties' nominations.

I don't particularly want to impeach Trump over this, but I really, really, really want Trump supporters to understand that President Trump is not ethical, and doesn't really care about his fellow Americans.
Same here but as always they tend to turn a blind eye to everything he says and does. If Hillary would of won the election or anyone else besides Trump they would riot. But no Trump doesn’t need to be impeached over this.
 
Old 10-01-2019, 10:24 AM
 
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Trump was looking for dirt on a political opponent.

We know this because Rudy told us so.

It's bad when an American President uses his office to promote his political campaign, especially bad when that President uses his office to get foreign leaders to help him promote his political aspirations.


Why is it bad?

We prop up leaders of other countries all the time.

Remove other ones entirely.

So ......now we can't look into the affairs of political opponents when their running for office?

Better tell that to Hillary, Obama, Mueller....Et al.
 
Old 10-01-2019, 10:25 AM
 
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Sounds like you are endorsing meddling in the affairs of other countries.....

Isn't that what the Left always gets it's panties in a wad about when the Right does it?
People complain about the actions of what they perceive to be the other side, constantly.

Corruption is always a problem, wherever it occurs. When it becomes systemic, as it has been in Ukraine, then it's a problem not just for the people who are being victimized, not just for the Ukrainian people, but for people outside of Ukraine trying to work with Ukraine. I suspect you understand this, but you are simply searching for a way to undermine Vice-President Biden, which is candidate Trump's goal. The problem with Trump's actions is that while candidate Trump and his campaign seek to undermine his challengers, they cannot do so using the office of the President. The office of the President serves us all, not just those who are supporters of whomever is occupying that office. When the President accuses his opposition of treason, which he's done, it demonstrates that he doesn't separate the office from his candidacy, and that is why he is violating rules and possibly laws that govern how campaigns may conduct themselves.
 
Old 10-01-2019, 10:25 AM
 
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OP references the US-Ukraine Treaty on Mutual Legal Assistance. Trump did not utilize the provisions of this treaty. Lutsenko (Prosecutor General until August) stated on-camera there were no official requests for assistance and that his hands were tied without one. Trump did not turn to the FBI. He instead empowered his personal attorney RudyG to investigate. The so-called "evidence" RudyG put together was not provided to the FBI for authentication.

Giuliani went on Stephanopoulos the other day to explain why he never submitted his documented "evidence" on Democratic corruption to the FBI.

Turns out he's afraid that Schiff might say that he was attempting to exert undue influence.

What he decided instead was to:

1. Upload the documents to the net.

2. Go on shows to explain his theories.

3. Wait for the FBI to notice

4. At which point, they would google and download the "evidence."

This is the same man who now suggests Senators meet his informant, Viktor Shokin. He will arrange for it.
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