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Old 10-14-2019, 01:44 PM
 
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I don't see anything about keeping a whistleblower's identity secret. Can you point it out?
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Old 10-14-2019, 01:52 PM
 
Location: NC
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I don't see anything about keeping a whistleblower's identity secret. Can you point it out?
I also don't see where it's illegal to disclose information. You gave a link to several pages of legal-terms. You claim that it supports your statement that they were breaking the law. How about you point that out?

I did not read the entire document, but it looks to me like section B is saying that you can't take retalitory action on a whistleblower, so in a sense, if that interpretation is correct, it would 'suggest' that you can't out them if there is a negative impact from doing so.

Again, if you have a point, make it clearly and support it with specifics, not a multipage document covering all sorts of things....
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Old 10-14-2019, 01:56 PM
 
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What possible reason is there to justify classifying Trump telling the President of Ukraine to manufacture dirt on Biden?
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Old 10-14-2019, 02:08 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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Considering how this president and some of his supporters in Congress want his/her identity disclosed, this would seem to be a prudent course of action.
And the right of people to confront their accuser goes bye-bye? And how are we to test his credibility? What if the whistle-blower posted his accusations on CD and then wanted the post to serve as cause of action in the impeachment battle? Without such exposure his "complaint" is little more than a post on CD.
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Old 10-14-2019, 02:18 PM
 
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The law says that when someone hears about a possible national security breach, that it can't be reported?

And where is the leak? My understanding is that it was reported via proper channels. It was actually the Admin who released the transcripts. That was after they tried to hide it on a secure server and got caught.

But please elaborate on two things:
What law says it's illegal?, and
How was classified material leaked, specifically?

I'm asking sincerely. I "think" you are wrong here, but I remain open to being convinced otherwise, if you have something credible. (Not "Trump said" so it must be true. Cite the law, and show where it was actually leaked.)
This had nothing to do with any national security breach. However, if it had related to a national security breach by people outside the IC, you'd just report it up the chain of command. Whistleblowing is for situations where the problem lies somewhere within that chain of command.

Along those lines, the process the "whistleblower" used was a process limited to disclosures of "urgent concerns" related to the intelligence agency itself, not the intelligence it gathers. There was no urgent concern as the term is defined in the statute, but the IG pretended there was, which allowed Schiff to leak the existence of the report (though not its contents other than the fact that it related to the President or senior White House or Administration figures) while falsely claiming that the DNI had wrongly withheld the report from Congress.

See 50 U.S.C. § 3033

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/3033

Specifically 50 U.S.C. § 3033(k)(5)(A) and (G)

(A) says:

An employee of an element of the intelligence community, an employee assigned or detailed to an element of the intelligence community, or an employee of a contractor to the intelligence community who intends to report to Congress a complaint or information with respect to an urgent concern may report such complaint or information to the Inspector General.

(G) says that the "urgent concern" must relate to the "funding, administration, or operation of an intelligence activity."

The report to the IG did not relate to any such thing. It was not an "urgent concern", as the Office of Legal Counsel explained:

https://www.justice.gov/olc/opinion/...05711/download

Because it was not an "urgent concern", there was no legal basis for reporting it to the IG, and there was no legal basis for the IG or Schiff to expect the DNI to submit the report to the congressional intelligence committees.
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Old 10-14-2019, 02:34 PM
 
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I don't see anything about keeping a whistleblower's identity secret. Can you point it out?

Here's a hint: do not think that you will find the term 'secret' in this law; it does not say 'the whistle-blower's identity will be secret'. Read the law in its entirety, and pay attention to footnote links.
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Old 10-14-2019, 02:39 PM
 
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Here's a hint: do not think that you will find the term 'secret' in this law; it does not say 'the whistle-blower's identity will be secret'. Read the law in its entirety, and pay attention to footnote links.
In other words, 5 USC § 2302 doesn't say anything about confidentiality. Thanks for confirming that.

But perhaps there's a relevant provision in another statute. Does anyone know?
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Old 10-14-2019, 03:14 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Pelosi has people testifybehind closed doors, does not release the entire conversation, they takes selected words out of context and leaks them to the Fake News Outlets.. what a sham! Democrats are lying low life.
Yavonovitch released her opening statement, Volker also released his comments, some of the texts between Taylor and Sondland were released by the house but it was the entire conversation. Bill Taylors comments were not out of context.


“Are we now saying that security assistance and WH meeting are conditioned on investigations?” Taylor asked.
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Old 10-14-2019, 03:16 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Yes, he is a hack. He broke the law in his treatment of the report he received, presumably for partisan purposes.
Just because you don't agree with his decision doesn't make him a hack, is the acting head of DNI also a hack.
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Old 10-14-2019, 03:17 PM
 
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Keep him safe, there has never been a more corrupt, vengeful, or dangerous President as Trump. His life will be in jeopardy if his identity is exposed.
LOCK UP Schiff for LYING about all this FAKE impeachment garbage! I want to see how Pencil Neck Schiff does in the general prison population.
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