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How about we all just live where it suits us and not worry about the other guy?
Well, if Farmer John expects me to contribute paying for his roads, his electrical distribution net, his phone and Internet, the least he could do is to be passing polite about it. 40% of farm income now comes out of government funds.
My redneck buddies mostly went to college. I went to the university that has the state ag college and that's where I met most of them. And I live in a rural state (after trying both coasts as a young man) because quality of life was more important to me than money. Best decision ever. Thing is I don't hold that disdain for the city that some do. I wouldn't wanna live there but they are wonderful, important places that are national treasures just as much as the wilderness I love too.
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Let me guess.....this guy lives in a liberal-run hellhole like SF where there's poop in the streets?
If your impression of San Francisco is only that there's poop on the street, you're seeing such a small part of that picture. That's a bad thing, though it certainly isn't every sidewalk everywhere. But the food, the night life, the variety of things to do and see, it's a wonderful, fun city to visit. Went fishing off the Berkeley pier on a public boat for 80 bucks and came back with about 15 lbs of rock bass filets and a half dozen crabs in a gunny sack. That's some good socialism right there.
Yep, and how much should the US taxpayer be burdened to provide hospitals and other infrastructure for these dying communities.
How much should they be burdened with providing hospitals and infrastructure for more populated areas.
What specific communities have died or are dying?
I live in a rural area that has been seeing increases in population.
I don’t like stereotypes or generalizations, yet it seems that people who have an issue with this stereotype would happily stereotype blacks in urban areas or blacks as a whole.
No one likes to be stereotyped. Rural dwellers, blacks, Hispanics, women, Christians, Republicans, Democrats, old white guys, LGBT.xyzlmnop.
You would think if most people get stereotyped at some point people would see how ridiculous it is and stop doing it.
The guy is just impatient. Rural communities are dying off. The young people generally don't stay around. The old people keep getting older. Every year opportunities dwindle in rural America.
I was surprised that some rural counties have been declining not since the Great Depression and Dust Bowl, but since World War I. Some young people stay there simply because "it's home".
He's not actually wrong in his assessment that if the market drove things, rural healthcare would be considerably more expensive - as would rural electricity, rural roads, and rural telephony. The cities pay for the farmers' infrastructure and services, and that's not even debatable.
I'm not a farmer but thanks for the nicely paved roads that wind through mountains that I take to get to work, and my cell phone and WiFi service, police protection, etc. etc.
You know if you all are paying for it why the heck are us rural folks paying taxes. Can you take car of that for us too?
Seems like an awful waste of a big country if everyone clustered only in a few tiny parts. Plus, how would any food be grown? Not to mention, life in big cities would be far more expensive and stressful if everyone lived there.
As a kid, I hated smaller areas. Hated them with a passion. I could not wait to get to the city. The second that I could, that's exactly what I did. And I loved it.
Until I didn't love it anymore.
Now, I prefer to be able to live in a smaller area, the more rural the better. I did have a small taste of that when I lived in Maine, and I'll tell you, there is a world of difference in how people act. The smaller the area, the nicer the people are, the more helpful they are, the more "forgiving" they are.
Example: My girl dog dug out under the fence in my backyard and went gallivanting around the neighborhood, pleased as could be). I went searching for her. Could not find her. A neighbor suggested I try the local police station. I called, She was there. While I drove to go get her, I wondered how much it was going to cost me. I got there, she was sitting in the 'reception' area behind the bullet proof glass with a cop. He was giving her all kinds of attention. She was not in a cage. Door opened, she ran over to me, and then ran over to the other cops and some firemen who happened to have just walked in, and sucked up all of the attention. I was then informed that the Chief of Police was not going to charge me because, "sometimes this happens, it's understandable". Do you think I would have got that in a city? No. Fricken. Way.
Neighbors are more apt to talk to you, offer you help even when you don't ask, or just sometimes help because they know you need it. Peoples reputation means more in smaller areas. It's not like a city where, as an example, if one mechanic is a pile of dog turd and rips people off, they'll still get customers despite the Yelp reviews. In a smaller area, you can end a person's career when words starts spreading around.
It's cleaner. The air is cleaner. The water is cleaner. People take more pride in the area than I've ever seen from city dwellers.
City life does have opportunities that smaller areas do not, and of course young people flock to cities - like they have forever. But as people get older (the "older people are dying off" cracks me up - as if no one else is ever going to get old...lol), they don't need all of that noise and nonsense. Some stay in the city, some prefer not to live in a noisy, chaotic environment.
Some young people love smaller areas, some can't wait to get out and get to the city.
None of these are wrong. Everyone has their preferences. It's like trying to tell someone that they are "wrong" because their favorite meal is spaghetti and meatballs and someone elses is sushi. It's not wrong - it's a preference.
I can also tell that a lot of people have never actually driven across this country. To insinuate that so many people live so far away from civilization is ridiculous. Some do, but most do not, even if they do live in a rural, smaller area, they aren't that far away from all the things people are carrying on about.
I'm going to bet Mr. Berkely has never been outside of CA...or if he has, he's never actually been to any rural area. He wouldn't even have to leave his state - just drive down 99. Where all those farmers live. That Californian freaks like to brag about "muh 5th largest economy". You aren't getting those crops grown in the city.
Brag about what those rural areas produce, trash on the rural people. Mr. Berkeley has proven what I've been saying many times on this forum about the elitist, snotty attitude of some people who live in cities.
How much should they be burdened with providing hospitals and infrastructure for more populated areas.
What specific communities have died or are dying?
I live in a rural area that has been seeing increases in population.
Just look up the population of counties in the upper midwest. The majority have been draining people for decades. Heck, many reached their peak around WW1 which is crazy if you consider the US population is over 3X as big overall in comparison.
This is shocking. It NEVER happens the other way with rural conservatives talking about urban dwellers (especially coastal) does it... :-O
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