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Old 11-13-2019, 04:19 PM
 
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No, Oldglory got beat up and left, so he wont be posting to me again.
^^^^He didn't "get beat up" ... well...perhaps in your dreams.

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Your delusions go beyond illegal immigration facts and extend to narcissism. Interesting.
^^^^Well said
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Old 11-13-2019, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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Your delusions go beyond illegal immigration facts and extend to narcissism. Interesting.
he was able to quite successfully take a couple of slipups by Oldglory, in his apparent anger, and use them against him. "Importing illegals" was a good one!
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Old 11-13-2019, 04:27 PM
 
Location: Florida
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he was able to quite successfully take a couple of slipups by Oldglory, in his apparent anger, and use them against him. "Importing illegals" was a good one!
"Importing" them was commonly used by people like him 2008-16, so it ironic they are now taking offense when the same word is used in relation by their own leader.

The truth is that Trumps rhetoric is doing the same exact thing as Obama's anti-gun rhetoric, which is to accelerate the problem. The language never led to any gun-control, but it did lead to people rushing into decisions to buy more guns, and the same is true with Trump's language in regards to immigration.

With Trump its lots of importing, and not a whole lot of exporting.
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Old 11-13-2019, 04:27 PM
 
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They are here because they were brought here by their parents when they were kids. Where else would they be. Don't take it personally. Just because they are more productive, doesn't mean you are useless.

Why on earth would they? The DACAs are productive because they are here, and grew up here.
Their parents cam here because they are/were less productive than US citizens. The DACA's are still just a random sample (or worse) of the populations from which their parents came, and those populations are less productive than ours. No matter what kind of bogus numbers you conjure up, you can't prove the impossible.

These DACA people are less productive than we are. And being here instead of Mexico doesn't change that fact. There is no such thing is magic dirt.
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Old 11-13-2019, 04:29 PM
 
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surely, if they can provide an accurate tax figure and an earning power figure, they'd be able to state the FICA/Medicare amount, instead of a blanket "also contribute".
Good point.
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Old 11-13-2019, 04:30 PM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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you've got to register to see this "microdata" it appears. Still thinking about wading into that.
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Old 11-13-2019, 04:32 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Their parents cam here because they are/were less productive than US citizens.
I don't think it had anything to do with any comparison to US citizens. They came here to look for work.

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The DACA's are still just a random sample (or worse) of the populations from which their parents came, and those populations are less productive than ours. No matter what kind of bogus numbers you conjure up, you can't prove the impossible.
We are talking about DACA specifically. What do you think it is that I am trying to prove?

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These DACA people are less productive than we are.
How do you figure? Numbers? Again, they are here because they grew up here.
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Old 11-13-2019, 04:39 PM
 
Location: Florida
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surely, if they can provide an accurate tax figure and an earning power figure, they'd be able to state the FICA/Medicare amount, instead of a blanket "also contribute".
Did someone ask them? Does someone care?
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Old 11-13-2019, 04:48 PM
 
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These DACA people are less productive than we are.
How do you figure? Numbers? Again, they are here because they grew up here.
They're the children of Mexicans and others from points south. Those countries' populations are less wealthy than this country because the populations are less productive than ours. Moving them to another country does not magically transform them or their children.
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Old 11-13-2019, 04:58 PM
 
Location: North Pacific
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Their parents cam here because they are/were less productive than US citizens. The DACA's are still just a random sample (or worse) of the populations from which their parents came, and those populations are less productive than ours. No matter what kind of bogus numbers you conjure up, you can't prove the impossible.

These DACA people are less productive than we are. And being here instead of Mexico doesn't change that fact. There is no such thing is magic dirt.
Not even in the u.s.

The Behavioral Aspects of Poverty

"Poverty in America is overwhelmingly associated with the failure to work on a full-time basis. Many immigrant families do well in the United States despite their lack of education because they tend to form stable families and work harder than many similarly disadvantaged native-born Americans. Yet these mobility-enhancing behaviors, and the attitudes that foster them, often disappear within a generation or two, suggesting that it may be aspects of American culture rather than economic stresses alone that hinder further progress."
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Which is why I think contributing to the economy of their birth country will outweigh any benefits they might obtain from remaining here ... they just don't know it yet.
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