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I don't know, but I would assume that this is part of it:
It forces Republicans Senators to take a stand. Either they believe in America and will convict for obvious reasons, or they believe in Party, and will have to take their chances with the possibility that more and more of their constituency realizes what Trump was trying to do, and they'll have to decide with their vote if they want a "truly America First" government, or if they really want "my party first" and screw everything our country was built on.
I'm sure that some of the Senators supporting the Insurrection will do just fine, but others may not. Mid-terms will be interesting this year.
Well 45 of the Republicans took a stand yesterday and did not appear frighty-scared to indicate that this action v a president who completed his term is nonsense.
Republicans were fine when Mueller couldn't charge Trump with anything Russia-related because he was a sitting President, even though it was quite clear, even in the report, that Trump welcomed the help and knew about the interference but did not report it.
Republicans were fine when Trump again asked for foreign interference on digging up dirt on Joe Biden. Republicans claimed that they wouldn't vote to convict because "we should let Americans decide Trump's fate in November."
Republicans are apparently fine with Trump inviting an insurrection that ended in murders at the Capitol - insurrectionists that were looking to execute lawmakers. Insurrectionists that are defending themselves saying "Trump told us to do it."
Republicans are also fine with a President committing treason while he is President (since that apparently isn't an impeachable offense) and they also think you can't try a President after he is out of office.
Essentially, Democrats might be proving that Republicans are saying the President is above the law. Since that really seems to be the only valid conclusion one could reach. Remember, Republicans were claiming that what Trump did with Ukraine wasn't impeachable - let alone whether he was guilty or not - which was NOT what they were asked to judge Trump on. They just said "Treason is not impeachable." And now they are saying "More treason is not impeachable (or convictable) since he is no longer President."
The Presidency is a free-for-all. That's what Republicans think. Trump was right - Article II does say the President can do anything... as long as your party allows you to do it. We might as well just amend the Constitution to remove impeachment entirely at this point.
Republicans were fine when Mueller couldn't charge Trump with anything Russia-related because he was a sitting President, even though it was quite clear, even in the report, that Trump welcomed the help and knew about the interference but did not report it.
Republicans were fine when Trump again asked for foreign interference on digging up dirt on Joe Biden. Republicans claimed that they wouldn't vote to convict because "we should let Americans decide Trump's fate in November."
Republicans are apparently fine with Trump inviting an insurrection that ended in murders at the Capitol - insurrectionists that were looking to execute lawmakers. Insurrectionists that are defending themselves saying "Trump told us to do it."
Republicans are also fine with a President committing treason while he is President (since that apparently isn't an impeachable offense) and they also think you can't try a President after he is out of office.
Essentially, Democrats might be proving that Republicans are saying the President is above the law. Since that really seems to be the only valid conclusion one could reach. Remember, Republicans were claiming that what Trump did with Ukraine wasn't impeachable - let alone whether he was guilty or not - which was NOT what they were asked to judge Trump on. They just said "Treason is not impeachable." And now they are saying "More treason is not impeachable (or convictable) since he is no longer President."
The Presidency is a free-for-all. That's what Republicans think. Trump was right - Article II does say the President can do anything... as long as your party allows you to do it. We might as well just amend the Constitution to remove impeachment entirely at this point.
I think this was so on point and wonderfully written. Rep to you.
I wanted to summarize your post.
What some of the Republicans in the Senate are saying is, yes Trump engaged in Quid pro Quo and yes he solicited for election fraud and yes he incited violence against another branch of government, but we can't convict him while in office because he has a protected status while being the President.
Trump leaves office.
Those same Republicans: We can not convict Trump now because he is no longer President of the United States and is a citizen.
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We will not convict in office. We will not convict out of office. We will not eat green eggs and ham Sam I am. The President is above the law as long as he has control of another branch of government. No wonder Trump, the law and order President acted the way he did so many times. No accountability. Power Trip.
"I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK?" "It's, like, incredible." - Donald J Trump - Jan 23, 2016
No action against Trump (just like no action against those who rioted over the summer) will embolden further future radicalization in both cases. Mark my words.
Republicans told us Trump can't be charged with anything while in office. Now they are telling us Trump can't be charged with anything out of office. Five people died, his supporters set up a gallows and vandalized the Capitol building including smearing their own excrement all over. To the GOP, that's okay. Trump's supporters are having their attorneys blame Trump, Trump and his supporters are blaming them and no one is being held accountable after five people died as Trump eagerly watched on TV.
It takes a simple majority to bar Trump from office and it does not require a conviction, and the 100's of people who claim their defense to be "my president told me to be there" will provide the cover needed. It definitely is a political move but they are a political party so what did you expect.
It seems to me that this is A path forward, you can see if you bar Trump from running in 2024, ban him from twitter, you are forcing him to fringe more and more, it stands to reason his rhetoric will match without the counterbalance of words to actions that you sometimes got in his administration he moves further from the middle, then you can associate past trump administration relationships to the current charged up trump rhetoric, effectively splitting the party.
Not too good on the Constitution, are you? Due process, free speech, etc.
Amazes me people are so ignorant. And so willing to display it.
yeaa but... hear me out, this took place outside of teh white house, a couple of blocks from where "they" were in the process of "taking" the house. A pep talk during training versus a pep talk during a timeout/
The storming of the Capitol started before he even started speaking.
In 1876 the FORMER War Secretary was impeached but failed to be found guilty by 1 vote.
He was acquitted so it is not a precedent. The Senate can do whatever it wants. It doesn't mean it has any more significance than a declaration of January 28th as "scorpio516 day."
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