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In Haaziq's perspective, the Middle East has every right to turn the screws as hard as they can on their oil reserves, because---it's theirs and they can!
Ok, your point?
You're essentially saying we should have the right to regulate the international market.
It takes a high level of provocative arrogance to claim we have the right to tell them what to do with the resources on their land.
A government mass-killing people so we can put gas in our Tahoe is horrific. Who ARE you people!
You talking about their government or ours? Because last time I looked--we don't "mass-kill" innocent civilians--it's kind of a matter of US policy that way.
Wonder why some of US are beginning to hate THEM just as much as you feel they hate us?
Well, I think this speaks volumes about YOU and why I was correct in my take on where you were coming from initially...
Guess what, I feel no hatred for them, whatsoever. And any hatred they have against us has more to do with our meddling in their affairs for decades. Blowback is a bi*ch.
You talking about their government or ours? Because last time I looked--we don't "mass-kill" innocent civilians--it's kind of a matter of US policy that way.
Not on purpose or nothing that hits the press anyways.
You talking about their government or ours? Because last time I looked--we don't "mass-kill" innocent civilians--it's kind of a matter of US policy that way.
Which part of that reality do some here simply not grasp??
They understand what you're saying. However, they're working backward to get to their argument. They begin with "this is the way I want the world to be" then they conclude what the U.S. should have done. Since our position begins "this is the way the world is" and ends "these are our options" they're at odds. Because of that, they refuse to consider our positions... that's why we say liberals don't live in reality and why we're all liberals in our youths but turn, if we're bright, when we get some life experience.
Further, the people you're arguing with aren't reasonable people. Look:
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Once again, we are not entitled to something that is not on our soil.
I stated a clear, practical response that's rooted in reason on the previous page to this question. What happened? Well, since they can't argue it, they ignore it and start repeating the same mantras over and over. For them, it's about manipulating people, not understanding facts... This is why it's so amusing when liberals claim they're open-minded...
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Originally Posted by TheJickler
But you don't know how someone is going to vote on a decision to go to war.
True and Bush didn't know Rumsfeld was going to do a poor job. However, responsibility travels up to the ultimate authority. In a democracy/republic such as ours, that's you and me. It's your duty to be well informed about the person you vote for. When they do good or bad, it's on your shoulders.
We have a good insight here as to how Middle Eastern leaders feel (some of them). In Haaziq's perspective, the Middle East has every right to turn the screws as hard as they can on their oil reserves, because---it's theirs and they can!
Which is what soverignty is about. Perhaps you are a proponent of world government, but that doesn't mean the rest of us accept the evils associated with such systems.
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We should be expected to trade/import with countries that also practice genocide/etc. because---it's their country, and they can do whatever they want! We have to have oil, so we're effed.
There's no better way to drive your argument into the ground than to make baseless arguments such as these. If we recognize others soverignty, why would you assume that we don't recognize our own?
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Other countries should simply expect to pay out the nose and give them anything they want, including weaponry...or else...bad baby, no oil!
It's simple economics... they can demand whatever they want as long as there is a buyer and there are no alternative sellers. But that is not the case... look up who we import the most oil from and tell me that there
aren't alternatives to OPEC.
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Wonder why some of US are beginning to hate THEM just as much as you feel they hate us?
Because the hate is misplaced. The crunch people are feeling is partially due to OPEC, but we are equally to blame with our government policies. Our montetary policy has driven inflation out of control, our regulations have made nuclear energy undesirable, and our regulations have restricted our abilities to provide more self sufficiency with regards to crude oil and natural gas.
You talking about their government or ours? Because last time I looked--we don't "mass-kill" innocent civilians--it's kind of a matter of US policy that way.
Check yourself. What's going on in Iraq? How many have been killed?
You're essentially saying we should have the right to regulate the international market.
It takes a high level of provocative arrogance to claim we have the right to tell them what to do with the resources on their land.
No wonder people think America is a joke.
And it takes a high level of idiocy to think that some countries won't take exception to their methods.
By the way, if you think the country you live in is a "joke", I highly encourage you to move to the Middle East. I promise you won't be lauging too long.
Check yourself. What's going on in Iraq? How many have been killed?
Before I riggety-riggety wreck myself? Are we practicing mass-civilian warfare over there that no one seems to be aware of at this point? Haven't heard anyone even hint we're out there spraying bullets directly at innocent civilians carrying babies. Or am I missing something?
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Are we practicing mass-civilian warfare over there that no one seems to be aware of at this point? Haven't heard anyone even hint we're out there spraying bullets directly at innocent civilians carrying babies. Or am I missing something?
