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How did poor people survive without welfare before FDR and LBJ came along? I don't recall reading about any American famines in the 19th and early 20th century. Even the illiterate ex-slaves seemed to make a go of it. In fact blacks owned more land in 1910 then they do now and the black population has more than doubled in 100 years.
Glad you asked! Extended family structures and FREE MARKETS in housing! Also a labor market in which low-skilled individuals could earn a living by sheer unskilled or low-skill labor.
Zoning prevents many poor people from owning homes they can afford, hindering intergenerational wealth transfer and keeping poor people in rent slavery,
The problem of this type of housing is the centralizing of the locations. It stigmatizes the tenants and creates more crime and poverty by grouping together the poor, the untrained and the unemployed.
Perhaps it would be better to spread the people out amoung the middle class neighborhoods in available rentals to give the subsidized people a better location for them to live, and particpate in. This would decentralize the poor amoung others who could perhaps act as role models and that which to strive for in a self respecting way for the renter. It certainly would decentralize the crime and perpetual welfare cycle out of the opportunity for better education for children.
The current state of the concentration of section 8 housing is only another proof of the failure of the US government central planning "a la Soviet Union" style. All the US does now is "lock up the poor" in cages and call them free.
Perhaps it would be better to spread the people out amoung the middle class neighborhoods in available rentals to give the subsidized people a better location for them to live, and particpate in.
how would you implement this? draw names out of a hat? if they're loud and smoke weed, don't you think the middle class people will move out to escape? how would you cherry pick the 'good ones' instead of it being random? details please.
The problem of this type of housing is the centralizing of the locations. It stigmatizes the tenants and creates more crime and poverty by grouping together the poor, the untrained and the unemployed.
Perhaps it would be better to spread the people out amoung the middle class neighborhoods in available rentals to give the subsidized people a better location for them to live, and particpate in. This would decentralize the poor amoung others who could perhaps act as role models and that which to strive for in a self respecting way for the renter. It certainly would decentralize the crime and perpetual welfare cycle out of the opportunity for better education for children.
The current state of the concentration of section 8 housing is only another proof of the failure of the US government central planning "a la Soviet Union" style.
It also brings people with questionable character and ethics into your neighborhood to negatively influence YOUR kids.
The problem of this type of housing is the centralizing of the locations. It stigmatizes the tenants and creates more crime and poverty by grouping together the poor, the untrained and the unemployed.
Perhaps it would be better to spread the people out amoung the middle class neighborhoods in available rentals to give the subsidized people a better location for them to live, and particpate in. This would decentralize the poor amoung others who could perhaps act as role models and that which to strive for in a self respecting way for the renter. It certainly would decentralize the crime and perpetual welfare cycle.
The current state of the concentration of section 8 housing is only another proof of the failure of the US government central planning "a la Soviet Union" style.
Well, Section 8 cannot fight the market. It's not about central planning at all; that's the point of Sec. 8 vs. housing projects. In higher income areas, homeowners are less likely to give up their propety to Sec. 8. Also, Sec. 8 does not always pay 100% of the rent, so a more expensive property will still be more expensive to a Sec. 8 renter. Also, many Sec. 8 properties are apartments, which are naturally clustered in the dense parts of cities. It's no surprise that there is a clustering of Sec. 8 homes, but it is not nearly as concentrated as it would be "a la Soviet Union."
Bring back clustered housing projects. Let the people who CHOOSE to be apathetic and lazy with their lifes choices LIVE with those choices. Why should they pretend to be able to afford a nice safe house in the suburbs?
how would you implement this? draw names out of a hat? if they're loud and smoke weed, don't you think the middle class people will move out to escape? how would you cherry pick the 'good ones' instead of it being random? details please.
There is plenty of housing available in the suburbs. Smoke weed? Neighbors call cops, the people get busted, and then are inelgible after they are convicted of a crime. Loud, call the cops, compalin and they are cited for exceeding certain decible levels as provided by law in the town.
Point being by decentralizing these people and not concentrating them together in already deporable housing, would give them a chance at a new life of respectibility and the opportunity to improve their own lives by living among people they aspire to be in life. Better housing and better schools and better neighbors in an intergrated society with transportation routes available to those who can't afford cars..
Your steretypical of the loud weed smoking section 8 housing tenant sounds like it is not the norm, unless you can provide figures to support this. And if it is, then anyone convicetd of crimes should be cut off from government funds.
My point is if the Section 8 houses were scattered around the suburbs with available public transportation, these people would be interacting with people they should be aspiring to be like in life. Anyone who who commits, and is convicted of any crime, could be cut off and left to reside under the bridges in shantytowns. Then they will know they blew it.
I believe the majority of Section 8 people would do better, improve their lives and get off Section 8, if they weren't trapped in cages within the cities and said to be free.
Well, Section 8 cannot fight the market. It's not about central planning at all; that's the point of Sec. 8 vs. housing projects. In higher income areas, homeowners are less likely to give up their propety to Sec. 8. Also, Sec. 8 does not always pay 100% of the rent, so a more expensive property will still be more expensive to a Sec. 8 renter. Also, many Sec. 8 properties are apartments, which are naturally clustered in the dense parts of cities. It's no surprise that there is a clustering of Sec. 8 homes, but it is not nearly as concentrated as it would be "a la Soviet Union."
Look who has to know someone has subsidized rent? And the way we house the poor now is damn well Soviet Style Central Planning. Just look at the Old Style Soviet housing. It looks exactly like the Bronx high rises only a bit cleaner. The newer section 8 housing looks like the central planned housing in Great Britain.
Decentralization amoung other people outside the inner cities will set a better example for these people to aspire toward in society. Some people are simply afraid the the poor will "ruin" their neighborhood and that is racist, selfish, and unamerican. My god, give your fellow man a decent chance to prove himeself and you might be surprised what they can do when they are not centrally controlled by the government.
Bring back clustered housing projects. Let the people who CHOOSE to be apathetic and lazy with their lifes choices LIVE with those choices. Why should they pretend to be able to afford a nice safe house in the suburbs?
I think all people deserve a chance at attaining decent housing, a decent job and a decent edcation. Let them first prove they can't or won't do it, then place back in central inner city housing and concentrate the police presence to destroy the criminal element.
The way we treat the poor now is merely place them in a city cage and give them just enough to live, perpetuate the life style, and call them free. Absurd.
It also brings people with questionable character and ethics into your neighborhood to negatively influence YOUR kids.
This is merely paranoid NIMBY because you are putting forth the idea that the majority of the people in Section 8 are of questionable character and negatively influence other people. Care to share your statistics on this?
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