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You just want Blacks to vote Republican because it serves your interests.
You say that like it's a bad thing. Of course I want black people to vote Republican, because I believe it would serve not only my interests, but everyone else's as well. I also want white, Asian, and Hispanic people to vote Republican, for the same reason. As an American, I am well within my rights to use reason and persuasion to try and achieve my goal. Needless to say, however, I do not have any right to try and use force or coercion to do so.
Actually, Bimingham, Memphis, St. Louis, Kansas City, those were rough cities BEFORE LBJ ever got into office. And welfare had little to do with it. Violent crime was on the rise in Detroit during the early 1960s just before LBJ got into office. Johnson had nothing to do with that. You just want Blacks to vote Republican because it serves your interests.
So , are you denying that there has been a rise in crime and violence the last year ? Or just trying to normalize it ?
You say that like it's a bad thing. Of course I want black people to vote Republican, because I believe it would serve not only my interests, but everyone else's as well. I also want white, Asian, and Hispanic people to vote Republican, for the same reason. As an American, I am well within my rights to use reason and persuasion to try and achieve my goal. Needless to say, however, I do not have any right to try and use force or coercion to do so.
Actually, Bimingham, Memphis, St. Louis, Kansas City, those were rough cities BEFORE LBJ ever got into office. And welfare had little to do with it. Violent crime was on the rise in Detroit during the early 1960s just before LBJ got into office. Johnson had nothing to do with that. You just want Blacks to vote Republican because it serves your interests.
I don't care who Blacks or anyone else votes for. That's a personal decision that's hopefully made by deciding for themselves who the best candidates are. I'm not even a Republican. For the record I grew up a J.F.K. Democrat but left the party when it began to lose the values of leaders like J.F.K., R.F.K., Harry S. Truman and Tip O'Neil. During a two decade career I was a law enforcement officer in three of the cities in the top ten. I've seen the results of the Great Society first hand. Welfare programs that broke up families and consequently made people of all races more dependent on the government. I've also dealt with the court systems that in all three of those cities were run by Democratic district attorney's and elected judges that were soft on crime. Johnson was sociopathic opportunist that cared for no one except himself. His social welfare policies have resulted in generations of poor minorities for the last fifty five years.
The Great Society aside, what is undeniable is that in 2021 large American cities run by Democrats with their failed policies have high crime rates. I'm not really a fan of Rudy Guiliani but when he was Mayor of New York City he ordered the NYPD to focus on high crime areas in the city and engage in community policing. The efforts of the NYPD were successful and street crimes were significantly reduced throughout the city. Flash forward twenty years and Bill de Blasio is the mayor. He ordered the NYPD to take a hands off approach to crime and violent crimes rose significantly. The absurd carnage that occurred on the streets of New York City and many other cities run by Democrats in 2020 exemplify their flawed policies that can't be blamed on Trump or any other Republican.
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Congrats Democrats, you did it, you broke virtually all previous jumps in the murder rate with an amazing 30% jump in just 1 year, special thanks to BLM for their part and the defund the police movement.
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The large city in my metro area had 45 to 90 murders (usually 50 to 60 range) countywide until early 2010s. Then it got to 100. This year and last it's close to 200. Last year 1 in every 1,000 residents were injured by gunfire. This year several people have been killed on freeways by stray bullets fired off in drive bys. A couple weeks ago a road construction work was shot execution style after a robbery.
There are many individual issues I support Democrats on over GOP but the reality is D's are usually worse at running a local place. I know that things Ds support at federal level would help reduce violent crime - universal health care (including mental health care and drug rehab), tightening gun laws, etc. But nonetheless the usual D mayor reaction to local increases in violent crime is to increase virtual signaling while doing nothing that would actually work.
Well, bringing up LBJ isn't going to work. Based on my research, there have been problems going on in the inner city Black neighborhoods long before that. Trying to blame welfare and LBJ for those problems, it sounds like a cop out to me.
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Was crime that high in Black majority areas before the 1960s? Seems like all the notorious criminals and gangs before then were all White people. Bank robbers, bootleggers, the mob, etc all those were White criminals. Seems like Black men who lacked an easy path to respect started emulating White gangster culture of the 1920s.
I'm not excusing any issues with criminality today in any culture. But it is factually true that cities with reliable stats like NYC were at least as dangerous and poor when the non White population was tiny pre 1970.
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