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Old 01-11-2022, 01:16 PM
 
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Want to go down a darker road. Try Trumps Authoritarianism.
Please educate us. Please provide examples of "Trumps Authoritarianism"
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Old 01-11-2022, 01:42 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Just my opinion developed through 50 years of anecdotel observation...

Our federal government has us ~$30T in debt, and the interest on that debt will soon exceed national defense spending.

Thus, the Fed must artificially supress interest rates, which pushes savers into risky stocks.

The Fed is diluting the dollars we saved by printing Monopoly money.

DC raided our Social Security trust fund, leaving it underfunded.

Our citizens are more divided than ever.

Trust in government is near historic lows:

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics...ent-1958-2021/

Our government is unable to properly manage foreign immigration.

Our federal government is unable to effectively manage a national health crisis.

DC's educational oversight has underperformed.

Our federal government keeps taking an increasingly large % of our nations GDP, leaving less for the private sector to grow the economy.

Fed jobs' total comp packages are now ~1.5x higher than those in the private sector, & the gap is growing rapidly.

Most of the wealthiest zip codes in the U.S. surround Washington DC

DC overreaches internationally, creating global enemies, & inserting us into senseless overseas conflicts.

The feds have allowed too much key manufacturing to be moved to China, like computer chips, meds, & Rare Earth Minerals.

I think most of us would agree with most of these thoughts.

Red versus Blue is powerfully enticing, I'll admit, but it's like re-arranging the chairs on the Titanic, & the ship's sinking...time is short.

IMHO, downsizing DC should be the mission-in-common that brings us all together again, and saves us from tyranny.

Does anyone out there believe that doing more of the same will end well?
Nah. Federalism is fine. Corruption and apathy are the problems. Corruption is a problem in any political system.

Our government is designed to be managed from the bottom up. "Of the People, by the People and for the People." When the People are interested in policy - which almost nobody is, regardless of interest in politics - corruption is held in check and effective policies are put in place. When people don't care about policy, corruption runs rampant.

The problem isn't federalism. The problem is that people don't care that their reps are corrupt. They don't care about the debt. They don't care about any of the things you complained about, as far as policy is concerned, even if they wield those issues as political weapons.
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Old 01-11-2022, 04:36 PM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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Nah. Federalism is fine. Corruption and apathy are the problems. Corruption is a problem in any political system.

Our government is designed to be managed from the bottom up. "Of the People, by the People and for the People." When the People are interested in policy - which almost nobody is, regardless of interest in politics - corruption is held in check and effective policies are put in place. When people don't care about policy, corruption runs rampant.

The problem isn't federalism. The problem is that people don't care that their reps are corrupt. They don't care about the debt. They don't care about any of the things you complained about, as far as policy is concerned, even if they wield those issues as political weapons.
Then we must go to only property owner vote, or only those who pay net federal income taxes vote, because these people are much more likely to care.
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Old 01-11-2022, 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by beach43ofus View Post
Just my opinion developed through 50 years of anecdotel observation...

Our federal government has us ~$30T in debt, and the interest on that debt will soon exceed national defense spending.

Thus, the Fed must artificially supress interest rates, which pushes savers into risky stocks.

The Fed is diluting the dollars we saved by printing Monopoly money.

DC raided our Social Security trust fund, leaving it underfunded.

Our citizens are more divided than ever.

Trust in government is near historic lows:

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics...ent-1958-2021/

Our government is unable to properly manage foreign immigration.

Our federal government is unable to effectively manage a national health crisis.

DC's educational oversight has underperformed.

Our federal government keeps taking an increasingly large % of our nations GDP, leaving less for the private sector to grow the economy.

Fed jobs' total comp packages are now ~1.5x higher than those in the private sector, & the gap is growing rapidly.

Most of the wealthiest zip codes in the U.S. surround Washington DC

DC overreaches internationally, creating global enemies, & inserting us into senseless overseas conflicts.

The feds have allowed too much key manufacturing to be moved to China, like computer chips, meds, & Rare Earth Minerals.

I think most of us would agree with most of these thoughts.

Red versus Blue is powerfully enticing, I'll admit, but it's like re-arranging the chairs on the Titanic, & the ship's sinking...time is short.

IMHO, downsizing DC should be the mission-in-common that brings us all together again, and saves us from tyranny.

Does anyone out there believe that doing more of the same will end well?
I read the first two pages on this thread very good post and very good replies to the OPs post. The thing I'm most concerned about is the fact that I'm afraid taxes are going to go up I think the middle class is taxed enough already there comes a tipping point it should never get to the point where a majority of your income is going towards paying taxes. Some states are outrageous when it comes to taxes like ca. The dems want to turn the entire US into California. My dad told me taxes would be reasonable if we were only paying for the safety net but when you add military defense spending plus foreign aid that's why taxes are so outrageously high. My dad is more libertarian then republican he says spending money on these stupid middle eastern conflicts are why taxes are high. My dad used to be a republican but is more libertarian in his political views. He votes republican for lower taxes only or libertarian party and he didn't vote for George w bush the second time around because George bush signed the biggest entitlement program increase called Medicare part d.
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Old 01-11-2022, 06:12 PM
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I think the big problem with the whole political system is that we just keep getting taxed more and more but don't receive any personal benefits from it so the people who work for a living are mainly voting republican so their taxes aren't raised any more. Democratic socialism would never work in this country because working people would be taxed more and people would always be thinking that a freeloader is getting his or her tax monies.
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Old 01-11-2022, 06:12 PM
 
Location: SE corner of the Ozark Redoubt
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You are both re-arranging the chairs on the deck of the Titanic...can't you see? The ship is sinking, & you are both deciding what song the band should play....who cares
Is it time to start investing in the parallel economy?
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Old 01-12-2022, 05:38 AM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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Is it time to start investing in the parallel economy?
The top 1% have their escape plans well laid out already. They have bank accounts and real estate holdings in other countries, & have private transportation at the ready to leave overnight.

Moving money out of the USA has never been easier.

The parallel economy is not here, its elsewhere. This economy is on a suidcide ride & will implode on itself due to excess debt, & Monopoly money.

>50% now pay no net federal income taxes.

>50% live paycheck to paycheck.

Interest on the national debt > defense spending (they wont admit this yet, but soon it will be irrefuteable)

Inflation is MUCH higher than they are admitting to, & they're admitting to a 40 year high.

If we don't take action to significantly reduce the size of the federal gov't starting in Dec 2022, we will reach the point of no return. I'll be planning my escape too.
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Old 01-12-2022, 06:18 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Then we must go to only property owner vote, or only those who pay net federal income taxes vote, because these people are much more likely to care.
Ok. You won't get any argument from me if you're going to suggest that only those who know what the hell they're doing do the voting.

If my car needs a repair, I don't just grab the first person off the street to fix it. I require that the person working on the vehicle I trust to keep me safe as I travel knows how to make the repair. They should have an understanding of how the parts of the car work together to create a safe, comfortable and efficient driving experience.

We should have similar requirements for those who participate in the ongoing maintenance involved with being your own government.
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