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Old 04-01-2022, 12:06 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Looks like this is another policy of their own administration, that most forum leftists don't want to discuss.
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Old 04-01-2022, 12:14 PM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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It would not have been completed this year even with Biden's go ahead. Maybe by 2023 according to the American Fuel and Petrochemical Manufacturers trade association.
Yep, I read the same thing.

What problem is Keystone XL supposed to solve for Americans, BTW? It ain't cheaper gas, so what's the big "win" with XL from our perspective?
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Old 04-01-2022, 03:10 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Yep, I read the same thing.

What problem is Keystone XL supposed to solve for Americans, BTW? It ain't cheaper gas, so what's the big "win" with XL from our perspective?
It's cheaper gas.

Not sure where you got your statement highlighted in the quote, you gave no evidence or references to back it up.

BTW, it's also better control over what gasoline (and diesel, jet fuel etc.) we use and where we get it. So the next time some medieval bully decides to invade his neighbor and take away their stuff, it doesn't affect us as much.
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Old 04-01-2022, 06:24 PM
 
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America needs options in our energy and the pipeline certainly would have helped that but no Biden had to cancel it because the Dems hate Big Oil and are doing their best to cancel it. And Biden wonders why the Oil companies don't want to start more drilling now. Gas prices will go down someday and the Biden regime will once again shut down the drilling by making it tough for them.

Renewables are not up to the task yet but that doesn't matter because they are being pushed on us. Talk about putting the cart before the horse.


Today, right now, we need the pipeline and we need The Wall at the border. Trump was smarter than they ever gave him credit for.
Trump was just using common sense on this.
What does Biden do? Disincentivize our own oil production and go with hat in hand to Iran and Venezuela.
Any Democrats fail to see this?!?
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Old 04-02-2022, 06:04 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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It's cheaper gas.

Not sure where you got your statement highlighted in the quote, you gave no evidence or references to back it up.

BTW, it's also better control over what gasoline (and diesel, jet fuel etc.) we use and where we get it. So the next time some medieval bully decides to invade his neighbor and take away their stuff, it doesn't affect us as much.

...But James Glynn, a senior research scholar at Columbia University's Center on Global Energy Policy, said the Keystone pipeline—even if operational—likely wouldn't have had an impact on the global energy markets.
"There is little evidence to back up the argument that Keystone XL would have averted some of this price spike," Glynn told Newsweek. "The Keystone pipeline capacity is less than one-tenth of Russian oil exports."
"Even if Keystone XL was filled with fully additional Canadian export capacity, which would have been an unlikely scenario, it would not balance the global oil markets where the price of oil is set through a global arbitrage of the last marginal available barrel," Glynn continued
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https://www.newsweek.com/little-evid...claims-1685093


...Had the pipeline been built, it would have delivered 830,000 barrels of oil per day from Canada to the Gulf Coast, where refineries would process it into gasoline and other finished products. TC Energy never said where those products would end up. They could have been sold in the U.S. market, or loaded on tankers for export to other nations. It’s flawed logic to assume this would have represented a huge boost in U.S. gasoline supply that would have lowered prices...

(Historically, the gulf refineries that process tar sands crude export about 67% of their product.)

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/the-k...175038384.html



...”Current controversies provide a convenient excuse to argue for policies that you wanted anyway, which would have some effect on oil prices, but probably not as significant as people arguing for Keystone pipeline and opening federal lands to fracking would lead us to believe,” said Schaff...

https://www.dakotanewsnow.com/2022/0...nt-gas-crisis/



...Gregory Nemet, professor of public affairs at the University of Wisconsin-Madison's Wisconsin Energy Institute, pointed out that the cost of oil has steadily increased since last fall...Expanding the Keystone would have increased global oil production by less than 1%, an amount, they explained, is "almost negligible."
"I can see why people make that connection," Nemet said."But in terms of gasoline prices and global oil prices, it's just something it's better to just ignore because it would have no impact."
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/could-t...news-explains/
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Old 04-02-2022, 06:53 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Racist PM Justin "Blackface" Trudeau is disappointed that he didn't get to take credit for making all of us more reliant on Russia and Iran for our energy.
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Old 04-02-2022, 09:41 AM
 
Location: Canada
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Racist PM Justin "Blackface" Trudeau is disappointed that he didn't get to take credit for making all of us more reliant on Russia and Iran for our energy.
How did Trudeau’s support of the Keystone XL pipeline make the U.S. more reliant on on Russia and Iran for energy.

TRUDEAU SUPPORTS TRUMP ON KEYSTONE XL PIPELINE
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Old 04-02-2022, 08:07 PM
 
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What a crock. Look up a map of the key stone pipeline. Its been in place for years delivering oil from Canada all the way to the Gulf. The only thing all the fuss is about is a new section that shortens a dog leg in the existing pipeline.
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Old 04-02-2022, 08:25 PM
 
Location: Occupant of USA.
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Yeah Biden keeps saying it would have took 2 years. Well that was a long time ago. Had we wanted to expedite the pipeline it could have been done months ago.
Trump would have sure as hell made sure that funding and resources would have been sourced as need in, a, very, short time frame. It would be very close to one and done by now.
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Old 04-02-2022, 08:31 PM
 
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Kenney doesn't own or operate the pipeline. TC Energy has scrapped the project. Anybody ask them about it...or are we just diving into the political show

Kenney has been yapping about the pipeline for some time..TC Energy says it won't revive it.
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