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Old 01-10-2023, 04:18 AM
 
Location: Bronx, New York
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"The ADP National Employment report showed private employment grew by 235,000 jobs in December. Economists surveyed by Bloomberg called for an increase of 150,000.

Elsewhere in economic data, filings for unemployment insurance also fell to 204,000, the lowest since September, in the week ended Dec. 31 from the prior week's downwardly revised reading of 223,000, the Labor Department said Thursday.

The reports were the latest to show strong demand for workers, even as the Federal Reserve presses on with aggressive monetary tightening to rein in inflation. ADP's data and weekly jobless claims follow a separate measure Wednesday that found job openings fell less than expected last month and remained high. The Labor Department's monthly nonfarm payrolls survey due out Friday morning remains the most important reading for Fed officials and investors attempting to predict the next policy move."

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/stock...123028965.html
"Thanks, Mr. Brandon"......!
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Old 01-10-2023, 05:47 AM
 
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There are no natives. We’re all immigrants or descendants of immigrants. And foreigners aren’t replacing us, they are joining us. Which is just Jim Dandy by me.
If one is born here to citizen parents then they are natives. The parents who may be the descendants immigrants is irrelevant to that.

Yes, illegal foreigners are replacing us along with their anchor babies and we don't want them to join us as they don't belong here. We need to carefully limit the number of legal immigrants and asylum seekers into our country to. Even many of them do not assimilate into our society and identifying culture and language so no, they aren't fully joining us.
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Old 01-10-2023, 05:56 AM
 
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All these jobs, and no workers.
Explain, anyone out there, how this is going to be tenable in the long term.
What types of jobs are you speaking of? Do they pay a liveable wage? Are they for skilled and educated workers? Half of the businesses with low paying jobs could go out of business and we wouldn't miss them.
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Old 01-10-2023, 05:59 AM
 
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And the solution is immigration, but righties don't want to hear that.
We should only be allowing in educated and skilled immigrants to fill "necessary" jobs where there aren't enough Americans to fill them not immigrants legal or illegal to fill low paying, menial jobs that don't pay a living wage as they end up being a tax burden on our society. That's what most so-called righties want. However the liberal left wants to flood our country with poor immigrants with no skills or education instead. Learn to know the difference!
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Old 01-10-2023, 06:28 AM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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Less Americans are working as a percent of all Americans...its only ~62%...look at the sorry trend line here:

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CIVPART

There is nothing "strong" about this labor market...its been declining since '01. It hasn't even recovered fully from C-19.


Real wages have not improved American workers' buying power in decades:

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...d-for-decades/

Real wages are currently in decline 2022 vs 2021:

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/realer.nr0.htm

There is nothing "strong" about wages either.


If you look at the big picture, over a longer time horizon, less Americans are working as a % of all Americans, & the ones who do work, are making stagnant wages that can't keep pace with inflation.

Anything else being reported is propaganda to misdirect you from these harsh realities.


This labor market is bad, & the trends are bad, & have been for years. Its gov't inflicted because gov't is consuming the private sector:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Govern...ending_GDP.png

In 2023, Gov't consumes ~50% of all we (the private sector) make, & this is the root cause for our terrible labor market.
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Old 01-10-2023, 03:29 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Less Americans are working as a percent of all Americans...its only ~62%...look at the sorry trend line here:

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CIVPART

There is nothing "strong" about this labor market...its been declining since '01. It hasn't even recovered fully from C-19.


Real wages have not improved American workers' buying power in decades:

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...d-for-decades/

Real wages are currently in decline 2022 vs 2021:

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/realer.nr0.htm

There is nothing "strong" about wages either.


If you look at the big picture, over a longer time horizon, less Americans are working as a % of all Americans, & the ones who do work, are making stagnant wages that can't keep pace with inflation.

Anything else being reported is propaganda to misdirect you from these harsh realities.


This labor market is bad, & the trends are bad, & have been for years. Its gov't inflicted because gov't is consuming the private sector:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Govern...ending_GDP.png

In 2023, Gov't consumes ~50% of all we (the private sector) make, & this is the root cause for our terrible labor market.
Yeah. I'll go along with most of that.
The labor shortage that most of us see are the type of people who fix things, maintain things and build things. Those laborers are fairly young and male, as a group, and young workers will be in short supply in years to come. After all, it takes 18 years to make an 18-year-old worker, so next years crop has already been born, unless they immigrate. Demographic experts say there are not enough of them, meaning not quite enough babies were born in 2005.
And it'll get worse. The labor participation rate will get worse and worse.
Wages, I think, will be adjusted upward but not very quickly. If companies want people they are going to have to pay....
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Old 01-10-2023, 03:31 PM
 
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Participation has been declining for years...not 2 years -- we are talking 15 years.

Nobody said anything when the unemployment rate was low and yet participation was declining four years ago.

NOW it is a problem for some.

That's politics.
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Old 01-10-2023, 07:39 PM
 
Location: Knoxville, TN
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"Legal" and illegal immigration have the same result: foreigners replacing the natives.

The market says we don't have a labor problem. If the natives wanted more workers, we would have made them.
If it was not for legal immigration, we would have a severe shortage of engineers. For whatever reason, most black and white kids from US families living here a while just don't want to become engineers.

"Math is hard, mommy."

Many of our US college engineering graduates are kids who came here from Asia, India, and the Middle East.

We would be screwed if we had to rely on quote "Americans" to fill out our ranks of engineers.
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Old 01-11-2023, 07:50 AM
 
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If it was not for legal immigration, we would have a severe shortage of engineers. For whatever reason, most black and white kids from US families living here a while just don't want to become engineers.

"Math is hard, mommy."

Many of our US college engineering graduates are kids who came here from Asia, India, and the Middle East.

We would be screwed if we had to rely on quote "Americans" to fill out our ranks of engineers.
Perhaps it's the costs of a college education that keeps Americans from being able to take skilled jobs. For example, we have a shortage of doctors. A college education just isn't affordable anymore.
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