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Old 05-10-2024, 04:17 PM
 
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my sympathy for Palestinians is inversely proportional to their support for Hamas.

there is a huge difference between Israel bombing Hamas strongholds and there being collateral damage during WAR vs hamas intentionally targeting the elderly, women and children for brutal rape, murder and torture in Israel during PEACE.
well said
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Old 05-10-2024, 04:46 PM
 
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my sympathy for Palestinians is inversely proportional to their support for Hamas.

there is a huge difference between Israel bombing Hamas strongholds and there being collateral damage during WAR vs hamas intentionally targeting the elderly, women and children for brutal rape, murder and torture in Israel during PEACE.
Where are ammunitions and bombs and tanks that Palastinians are fighting with if this is a WAR? Where are the collateral damages that they have inflicted on Isreal if this is a WAR? Are 13000 children enough collateral damage?
This is what the campus protests are about. It is not about antisemtism, it is not about Hamas, it is about the innocents being brutalized - 35000 and counting. Stop thec war and negotiate peace. We tell children to use their words, and not fight.
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Old 05-10-2024, 04:52 PM
 
Location: Austin
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Where are ammunitions and bombs and tanks that Palastinians are fighting with if this is a WAR? Where are the collateral damages that they have inflicted on Isreal if this is a WAR? Are 13000 children enough collateral damage?
This is what the campus protests are about. It is not about antisemtism, it is not about Hamas, it is about the innocents being brutalized - 35000 and counting. Stop thec war and negotiate peace. We tell children to use their words, and not fight.

you can only "use words....not to fight" when the other person stops trying to violently and viciously murder you!
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Old 05-10-2024, 05:08 PM
 
Location: SE corner of the Ozark Redoubt
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But moving down from that there is room to still be wary. I think this operation, while unfortunately killing so many civilians, has to happen to get rid of Hamas in the immediate term. Or more realistically, cripple them to the point of not being a significant threat.

If Hezbollah did what they did on Oct 7th, the same would go for them.

Protesting for the lives of civilians is one thing.
A protest in Defense of innocents is understandable.
But they are undercutting it, imho, with Offensive protesting, i.e. river to the sea, intifada,.etc

It is astounding how complicated it is.
A mix of political , historical, and religious roadblocks to overcome.

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Not cripple: annihilate.

Hezbollah will have to be dealt with, as they work for the same Iran, who is behind all of this.

The protesters aren't protesting lives of civilians, they are protesting the existence of Israel, even though most of them have no idea what the reality is, and many couldn't find it on the map. Half are professional agitators.

It is not complicated.

Iran hates the existence of Israel, and it scriptures tell it to destroy all of the Jews. It employs Hamas (which is primarily Sunni, but they share enemies ) and Hezbollah to carry out attacks on Israel. Do you know the history of the Intifadas? The second Intifada was launched to derail peace talks.

Have you read, and do you understand the Quran and Hadith?

I had a crash course in it, about 20 years ago.
That was an eye opener.

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Old 05-10-2024, 05:10 PM
 
Location: SE corner of the Ozark Redoubt
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you can only "use words....not to fight" when the other person stops trying to violently and viciously murder you!
I always wonder why those who say it is not about Hamas, continue to parrot Hamas talking points.
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Old 05-10-2024, 05:57 PM
 
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Where are ammunitions and bombs and tanks that Palastinians are fighting with if this is a WAR? Where are the collateral damages that they have inflicted on Isreal if this is a WAR? Are 13000 children enough collateral damage?
This is what the campus protests are about. It is not about antisemtism, it is not about Hamas, it is about the innocents being brutalized - 35000 and counting. Stop thec war and negotiate peace. We tell children to use their words, and not fight.
Hamas gets their weapons thru the tunnels from Iran, via Hezbollah.
They have done that for decades. Some are smuggled in from Egypt from the Parent organization of Hamas - the Muslim Brotherhood.

It’s been a “ WAR” since Israel accepted the United Nations Resolution on the formation of Israel.
There is no equivalent between the Hamas Breaking the Ceasefire with Israel to slaughter 1200 Civilians, rape women, cook children and take Hostages, which they brutalized and Murdered.

The Campus Protest are clear — they support Hamas , which is a designated Terrorist Organization. They support the Distruction of Israel and its people.

It’s up to each person to decide who they side with — The Jewish people who have been under attack for centuries OR the Terrorists determined to exterminate them.

It’s also very worthwhile to consider WHY the Sunni Nations are not supporting Hamas and WHY they have closed all their Borders tight and REFUSE to accept any Palestinians into their Countries. Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, Syria, the UAE, Turkey, Bahrain and even Qatar.

“NEVER AGAIN” is not a Joke— it’s a matter of Life and Death.
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Old 05-10-2024, 05:57 PM
 
Location: NYC
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It is not complicated.

Iran hates the existence of Israel, and it scriptures tell it to destroy all of the Jews. It employs Hamas (which is primarily Sunni, but they share enemies ) and Hezbollah to carry out attacks on Israel. Do you know the history of the Intifadas? The second Intifada was launched to derail peace talks.

Have you read, and do you understand the Quran and Hadith?

I had a crash course in it, about 20 years ago.
That was an eye opener.
I think that is part of it. People using religion to justify ownership or violence.
Then there is the whole Ottoman and British mandate stuff. ( which I did see a vid from PragerU trigger!)

I have seen interviews where they'd appeal to the Quran and Torah. But not being religious myself, I don't really agree with using that as an and-all excuse either way, personally.


I am not versed in this stuff like you, just videos here and there to get a picture. I do like to listen to debates though. ( not raving rants) .


If you have a recco vid about the intifadas I'd be interested.

I just hope that after Hamas is dealt with, they can work on figuring things out, preferably with a third party, without having to resort to Oct 7 attacks. Though, I can probably put money on rockets still getting lobbed into Israel.
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Old 05-10-2024, 06:15 PM
 
Location: SE corner of the Ozark Redoubt
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I think ...

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... I can probably put money on rockets still getting lobbed into Israel.
Prager University is good stuff.

Hezbollah is going to be a problem, as they are three times the size of Hamas, and ten times as heavily armed, as well as having ten times the maneuver area.

As for the "religious" stuff, feel free to DM any questions to me.
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Old 05-10-2024, 07:18 PM
 
Location: NYC
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I don't know if this has been asked but, if Hamas is "destroyed", who is governing Gaza then?

Just their non-Armed/militant wings? Will they still call themselves Hamas?

Is it like, ok, done, wipe your hands like a Black Jack dealer leaving their shift? And pull out?

Are they thinking 3rd Party? UN governs?

Egypt doesn't seem like it has the appetite to Occupy them again.
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Old 05-10-2024, 10:12 PM
 
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Mark Levin to Biden: 'Who the hell do you think you are?' https://www.foxnews.com/video/6352627916112
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Fox News host Mark Levin sounds off on President Biden's vow to cut off weapons aid to Israel if PM Benjamin Netanyahu moves forward with Rafah invasion on 'Hannity.'
Well worth watching Mark, whether you like him or not! He is saying what needs to be said.



How can anyone, Jewish or not, put up with this pack of rats in the White House?
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