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Old 05-12-2013, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Minneapolis
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Originally Posted by Little-Acorn View Post
Sorry to disappoint you, but I never took the test. I just noticed that it was giving out impossible "results", such as the assertion that you can be conservative while trying to conttrol people's religious preferences; or thet you can be left-wing andd libetarian at the same time.

Garbage in, garbage out.

This "test" has been around for many years. Every few month, some newcomer trips over it, and thinks he's discoverd something new and wonderful, and publicizes it far and wide. It get routinely debunked, for the 3,487th time, and fades back into obscurity along with such fallacies as the Flat Earth, government charity, and inexpensive solar power.

Until the next naive newbie stumbles over it again.
Most attempts at controlling the religious views of others do come from political conservatives. One only needs to observe how the attempts to encode specific religious doctrines into a given culture, are matched by those same conservatives attempting to control other aspects of personal behavior.

As for the connection between libertarianism and the "left-wing", libertarianism has its historical roots in the political left. The term was originally used by French anarchic communists in the mid-Nineteenth Century. In most of the world, "libertarian" is understood to be synonymous with anarchistic socialism. It's really only in the The US and Canada (post-Ayn Rand) where the term has been co-opted into the realm of political conservatism.

I think the Political Compass scares a lot of people because it causes them to separate the liberal/conservative axis from the authoritarian/libertarian axis. I know many people on the political left, for example, who refuse to recognize that progressive social and economic beliefs can exist within the context of extreme authoritarianism. You would seem to be making that same assumption concerning the political right.
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Old 05-12-2013, 11:53 AM
 
Location: WA
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Most attempts at controlling the religious views of others do come from political conservatives. One only needs to observe how the attempts to encode specific religious doctrines into a given culture, are matched by those same conservatives attempting to control other aspects of personal behavior.
All in all, I liked your post, but I would, however, implore you to consider that the supression of religious views is highly characteristic of far-left regimes--isn't political/cultural suppression just another means to the end of control?

Expelling religion from a given culture is no less an attempt at controlling personal behavior than injecting religion into a culture. Authoritarians tend to exhibit very similar symptoms, no?
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Old 05-12-2013, 11:55 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Most attempts at controlling the religious views of others do come from political conservatives.
See? There are even a few people who believe this lie.

It is at the root of the reason why this "test" is false and misleading.
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Old 05-12-2013, 11:55 AM
 
Location: Minneapolis
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All in all, I liked your post, but I would, however, implore you to consider that the supression of religious views is highly characteristic of far-left regimes--isn't political/cultural suppression just another means to the end of control?

Expelling religion from a given culture is no less an attempt at controlling personal behavior than injecting religion into a culture. Authoritarians tend to exhibit very similar symptoms, no?
Good point! no disagreement from me.
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Old 05-12-2013, 11:57 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Yes, this is that silly, bogus "test" that tries to pretend you can be conservative and try to control people's religious preferences at the same time. Or that you can be left-wing and libertarian at the same time.

Garbage in, garbage out.

This "test" has been around for many years. Every few month, some newcomer trips over it, and thinks he's discoverd something new and wonderful, and publicizes it far and wide. It get routinely debunked, for the 3,487th time, and fades back into obscurity along with such fallacies as the Flat Earth, government charity, and inexpensive solar power.

Until the next naive newbie stumbles over it again.
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Old 05-12-2013, 12:04 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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I'm right where you are. Ha, there are only a few of us in existence.
My scores were

Economic Left/Right: -8.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -9.03

So there's 3 right there! That's enough to live on a tiny island in the Pacific.



EDIT: I wrote that without realizing you live in Hawaii!!!! Lol
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Old 05-12-2013, 12:48 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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All in all, I liked your post, but I would, however, implore you to consider that the supression of religious views is highly characteristic of far-left regimes--isn't political/cultural suppression just another means to the end of control?

Expelling religion from a given culture is no less an attempt at controlling personal behavior than injecting religion into a culture. Authoritarians tend to exhibit very similar symptoms, no?
Historically, the VAST MAJORITY of religious suppression has come from those believing in ANOTHER RELIGION (often only slightly different from the one they are suppressing) - whether it be Catholic suppressing Protestant, Protestant suppressing Catholic, Protestant suppressing Protestant, Christian suppressing Muslim, or Muslim suppressing Christian, overwhelmingly, it's RELIGIOUS folks who have suppressed OTHER RELIGIOUS folks.

Ken
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Old 05-12-2013, 01:32 PM
 
Location: WA
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Historically, the VAST MAJORITY of religious suppression has come from those believing in ANOTHER RELIGION (often only slightly different from the one they are suppressing) - whether it be Catholic suppressing Protestant, Protestant suppressing Catholic, Protestant suppressing Protestant, Christian suppressing Muslim, or Muslim suppressing Christian, overwhelmingly, it's RELIGIOUS folks who have suppressed OTHER RELIGIOUS folks.

Ken
Well gee, thanks, I could never have comprehended a single word of this without all of the REDUNDANT EMPHASIS.

Anyway, while all of the points you make are largely quite true, I'm referring mostly to dictatorial regimes of the 20th and 21st centuries (even though many of those have, of course, been indisputably theocratic).
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Old 05-12-2013, 09:03 PM
 
Location: Henderson, NV
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According to this test, I'm actually almost dead center, just one unit towards the left and one unit down towards Libertarian. But the questions were so vague and not really appropriate for "agree" or "disagree" answers, that I don't put much stock in this categorization. It's more a fun game than anything.
I kind of wish they had a "neutral" choice myself. Some of the questions were too gray for the choices they provided.
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Old 05-13-2013, 06:52 AM
 
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Where do you fit on the Political Compass?

I am:

Economic Left/Right: -5.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.77
So I lie definitely on the left of center, but not very far at all.

Here is the link. Take the test, it takes less than 10 minutes.

The Political Compass

economic 1.2

social libertarian/authoritarin 2.0

I find this interesting, as I am considered "far right". I think this shows that I am very centrist, and most of those to the left of me are actually "far left".
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