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That is why the embittered elderly are voting for McCain while the young and young at heart are going for Obama. (generally speaking).
Those of us who are not actually willing to lay down our souls to the "real world" of the corporate myth, who are willing to do the heavy lifting to restore the innovative, productive spirit of America, move more and more liberal every year. Idealism is a good thing, cynicism is akin to defeatism. America is best when it is leading the world in forward thinking ideas, not relying on fear and security concerns as the basis for all decisions. Go liberals!!! Up the Dems!!
What a lousy circle jerk this topic is, filled with conservative testimonials "I was a liberal when I was young, but then I became an embittered, greedy old codger!".
Exactly. None have likely ever step foot on a college campus. And if a person was "liberal" as a student then saw the "light" simply means they never clearly understood who they were & out of insecurity sided with anti-intellectuals. These are mixed-up individuals [typical GOPers
My comment about the Kid in the Che shirt/Reading Marx was more..
Describing the extreme left/socialist/borderline communist.
I dont think Professors in College should be allowed to promote..
Personal viewpoints.How about sticking the facts?
I think the extreme left in the education system believe if they can just..
Get to them while they are young!
Lets face it conservatives are outnumbered probably 6 to 1 in education.
I was somewhat liberal until about 22-23.Im now moderate on some things..
Almost liberal on some issues and hardcore right-wing on a few lol
My comment about the Kid in the Che shirt/Reading Marx was more..
Describing the extreme left/socialist/borderline communist.
I dont think Professors in College should be allowed to promote..
Personal viewpoints.How about sticking the facts?
I think the extreme left in the education system believe if they can just..
Get to them while they are young!
Lets face it conservatives are outnumbered probably 6 to 1 in education.
I was somewhat liberal until about 22-23.Im now moderate on some things..
Almost liberal on some issues and hardcore right-wing on a few lol
I guess I assume that a well rounded education would require a student to read Marx since the Soviet Union and its aftermath are very important topics. I would expect Smith and Galbraith and modern economists would also be studied along with classics such as authors describing various political and economic movements in the US.
My comment about the Kid in the Che shirt/Reading Marx was more..
Describing the extreme left/socialist/borderline communist.
I dont think Professors in College should be allowed to promote..
Personal viewpoints.How about sticking the facts?
I think the extreme left in the education system believe if they can just..
Get to them while they are young!
Lets face it conservatives are outnumbered probably 6 to 1 in education.
I was somewhat liberal until about 22-23.Im now moderate on some things..
Almost liberal on some issues and hardcore right-wing on a few lol
Now wait. I had three or four hardcore leftist professors and each was more interested in genuine debate than indoctrination. They were most happy when a student would take then on and loathed the notion that others were just parroting what they said for a good grade.
As for the morons worshipping Che, I have never met any who actually know who the guy was or what he did. Reminds me of the early 90s and all these kids wearing X hats despite not having the foggiest notion who Malcom X was.
For starters, Che was a ruthless murderer, but he was also a symbol of Socialism, and rebelling against "the man". You certainly can't sugar coat all the horrible things he did, but its easy to see why exactly college students embrace him.
Next, the reason that no 'hardcore' Liberals have made it in to office is because most of their supporters are college students. Who honestly takes a bunch of rowdy college kids seriously anyways? You don't see many older Liberals, but there are some out there. No one can take Liberals seriously until the younger ones straighten up their act.
Sure, this election season I wouldn't be surprised if Liberals gained some ground. But next decade, when those college kids settle down, get jobs, and see the real world, they'll begin to understand that there are things in this world beyond our control. And once again, the balance will tip back to the Conservatives. It is a constant cycle that has been going on since 1865, and I see no reason for it to stop now.
My comment about the Kid in the Che shirt/Reading Marx was more..
Describing the extreme left/socialist/borderline communist.
I dont think Professors in College should be allowed to promote..
Personal viewpoints.How about sticking the facts?
I think the extreme left in the education system believe if they can just..
Get to them while they are young!
Lets face it conservatives are outnumbered probably 6 to 1 in education.
I was somewhat liberal until about 22-23.Im now moderate on some things..
Almost liberal on some issues and hardcore right-wing on a few lol
I work at a university. I have a few observations...
The Che tee-shirt thing is a largely a fashion statement...more than anything it indicates an eagerness to fit in rather than to rebel from conventional thinking. We all need to remember that what was radical 40 years ago is pretty humdrum today -- and no one is more conforming and fearful of being an outsider than the average college student.
I have plenty of faculty friends and colleagues who are extreme leftists. They don't believe that they are professing their personal viewpoints. To them, Marx and Lenin (and more recently, Marcuse, Foucault, and Derrida) ARE the facts, to the degree that they are able to comprehend them -- and very few of their students take them seriously, except those who are angling for recommendations for graduate study or assistantships, so that they can replicate their mentors.
Keep in mind how powerful the revolution on college campuses of the 1960s was in forming the current crop of static thinkers who make up large chunks of liberal arts faculties and whose influence is so palpably pervasive among some of the regular posters on this Forum.
I hasten to add that the leftist faculty on college campuses are pretty much confined to the liberal arts departments. The business and professional schools -- and the hard sciences -- have a much more balanced distribution of political viewpoints among the faculty and students. There is something about rational objectivity that brings out the secret conservative in folks. Maybe it's because designing structurally sound bridges and working on genetic approaches to cancer therapy tend to discourage emotive responses to data and focus one's mind on accuracy and rational, dichotomous thinking.
I work at a university. I have a few observations...
Observations of a nameless university, from a nameless person.
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Originally Posted by Yeledaf
The business and professional schools
Joke of the academic world.
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Originally Posted by Yeledaf
-- and the hard sciences -- have a much more balanced distribution of political viewpoints among the faculty and students. There is something about rational objectivity that brings out the secret conservative in folks. Maybe it's because designing structurally sound bridges and working on genetic approaches to cancer therapy tend to discourage emotive responses to data and focus one's mind on accuracy and rational, dichotomous thinking.
Conservative scientists are a rare breed, and for a good reason: right wingers make our jobs so much harder than they need be.
For starters, Che was a ruthless murderer, but he was also a symbol of Socialism, and rebelling against "the man". You certainly can't sugar coat all the horrible things he did, but its easy to see why exactly college students embrace him.
Next, the reason that no 'hardcore' Liberals have made it in to office is because most of their supporters are college students. Who honestly takes a bunch of rowdy college kids seriously anyways? You don't see many older Liberals, but there are some out there. No one can take Liberals seriously until the younger ones straighten up their act.
Sure, this election season I wouldn't be surprised if Liberals gained some ground. But next decade, when those college kids settle down, get jobs, and see the real world, they'll begin to understand that there are things in this world beyond our control. And once again, the balance will tip back to the Conservatives. It is a constant cycle that has been going on since 1865, and I see no reason for it to stop now.
You only wish it were just college students! I think the Democratic party is more than students The fact is that many more Democrats have attended college than Republicans. Democrats are like the rest of the Western\ Free world in being open to new ideas\ research. It is not surprising that Republicans try to stifle science\ refuse to advance medical research\ try to interject primitive Bible stories in our schools via "Creationism"\ school prayer.
Republicans are the pimple on the butt of progress. Look back the past 8 yrs & weep at how much damage Bush has done to our nation
Well, I'm a college student, but certainly not a democrat.
Here's some idealism for you:
Democrats (and 'progressives') have single handedly perverted the definition of government in this country from "protection from acts of coercion" to "monopoly on acts of coercion to enforce an inherently flawed collectivist ideology and an enforcement of a decidedly specious social propaganda."
If Republicans are 'the pimple on the butt of progress' (which may be half-true) then Democrats are the pimple of the butt of individual freedom and rational thought. They seem incapable of separating thinking from feeling. Yes, I feel bad for the poor starving people in this country too, but giving them handouts isn't doing them any favors, it's only creating a cycle of dependency and making it harder for them to pull themselves together. Sometimes tough love is the best kind.
One thing I never understood about Democrats is their blind hatred of big corporations, but their blind faith in big government. Given a choice between the two, I'll take a big corporation nine times out of ten, because at the end of the day, they're still accountable to profit. Today's government is accountable to no one, save special interest groups, and our politicians have a 'colorful' history of saying one thing and doing the opposite. Such blatant dishonesty is only tolerated (expected?) in our politicians, and we as a people seem far too quick to forgive them.
On the subject of why so many colleges are decidedly liberal, I think Thomas Sowell said it best when he said: "The most fundamental fact about the ideas of the political left is that they do not work. Therefore we should not be surprised to find the left concentrated in institutions where ideas do not have to work in order to survive."
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