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so many posts here and elsewhere about how gun registration will solve so many crimes and stop so much more has convinced me to do this. if we do this they will get back all the illegal ones from the criminals. OK im ready.... but you have to do one thing for me in return. a constitutional amendment that states that every american citizen has a right to keep and own any and all guns they want. as long as they are not convicted of a violent crime, (murder,rape,armed robbery,etc)that no state, county, or local regs can stop me from owning, carrying and using a gun for the rest of my life. It cannot be revoked nor confiscated do to marshal law, prez exec order, and no international law wrote by the United Nations can overrule it.any gun any type, .17-50cal, single shot to full auto. OK folks, there it is, putup or SHUTUP!
Its the same people who trash anything that might sort of vaguely threaten free speech who somehow support any and all gun control measures. Somehow the constitution is always used as a shield of defense for free speech by these people, but on the subject of gun control they toss the constitutional arguments aside and keep pointing to statistics.
so many posts here and elsewhere about how gun registration will solve so many crimes and stop so much more has convinced me to do this. if we do this they will get back all the illegal ones from the criminals. OK im ready.... but you have to do one thing for me in return. a constitutional amendment that states that every american citizen has a right to keep and own any and all guns they want. as long as they are not convicted of a violent crime, (murder,rape,armed robbery,etc)that no state, county, or local regs can stop me from owning, carrying and using a gun for the rest of my life. It cannot be revoked nor confiscated do to marshal law, prez exec order, and no international law wrote by the United Nations can overrule it.any gun any type, .17-50cal, single shot to full auto. OK folks, there it is, putup or SHUTUP!
Sure. Makes perfect sense. In fact why stop at guns? How about explosives? You like the idea of Goober living next door to you & your kids storing 12 tons of Nitro in his geerage?
Its the same people who trash anything that might sort of vaguely threaten free speech who somehow support any and all gun control measures. Somehow the constitution is always used as a shield of defense for free speech by these people, but on the subject of gun control they toss the constitutional arguments aside and keep pointing to statistics.
Registering your guns is unconstitutional? You feel the same way about voter registration too? Careful how you answer, those millions of undocumenteds are ready to rally around you.
This "criminals don't register guns" argument is a load of hogwash. Registration or "permits" does not imply that you are not going to be a criminal with your firearm, nor does it imply that your gun is going to be taken from you. It symbolizes your comliance with the standards society wishes to place on it's legal gun owners. Should you break the trust the license goes bye-bye.
If you are a criminal with a gun and are busted, is it not true that you also get charged with illegal posession? Is that not punished more severely? You think that these people never get busted? When my DH went in front of the judge to get his CCL the judge was sentencing criminals to 15 years a pop and most counts also included "illegal posession of a firearm". Some people got 30+ years. The system might not be perfect but why throw it out the window for complete deregulation?
I think a seperate amendment specifically protecting the rights of registered gun owners is a step in the right direction. I also think if you put the licensure at the national level and maintain a seperate permit for high capacity it would help legal gun owners rather than hurt them. All the $$ the NRA sifts away can be put to better use because this would effectively put them out of business. We could finally move on and go after the real issues with guns in this country, like continuing to recover illegal guns, putting violent criminals behind bars and making guns safer in the household - fingerprint recognition technology is not too far away, easier and safer locks.
I hold a RN license. I went to school for 4 years to get it, went through a national test, several federal background tests. Yet every 2 years I have to hack up more money and take CC courses to renew my license. And this is just for my "privelage" to have a profession! But my applying for a license and doing what is needed to maintain it is me keeping up my end of the bargain as a citizen IMO. Because people in this country decided they want health professionals to maintain licensure. So I do it. Are there people nailed occasionally for practicing without a license? Sure there are. So does that justify throwing out the entire licensure system? Get my drift?
It symbolizes your comliance with the standards society wishes to place on it's legal gun owners. Should you break the trust the license goes bye-bye.
That is an excellent way to put it.
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Originally Posted by winnie
I think a seperate amendment specifically protecting the rights of registered gun owners is a step in the right direction.
The 2nd Amendment is enough. It already grants the right to keep and bear arms. Registration doesn't restrict that right, so further specification isn't really necessary. For example, we have the right to freedom of expression. We don't need further amendments to guarantee our right specific types of expression that are already protected -- such as telling jokes, calling our parents, or posting on City-Data!
This "criminals don't register guns" argument is a load of hogwash. Registration or "permits" does not imply that you are not going to be a criminal with your firearm, nor does it imply that your gun is going to be taken from you. It symbolizes your comliance with the standards society wishes to place on it's legal gun owners. Should you break the trust the license goes bye-bye.
If you are a criminal with a gun and are busted, is it not true that you also get charged with illegal posession? Is that not punished more severely? You think that these people never get busted? When my DH went in front of the judge to get his CCL the judge was sentencing criminals to 15 years a pop and most counts also included "illegal posession of a firearm". Some people got 30+ years. The system might not be perfect but why throw it out the window for complete deregulation?
I think a seperate amendment specifically protecting the rights of registered gun owners is a step in the right direction. I also think if you put the licensure at the national level and maintain a seperate permit for high capacity it would help legal gun owners rather than hurt them. All the $$ the NRA sifts away can be put to better use because this would effectively put them out of business. We could finally move on and go after the real issues with guns in this country, like continuing to recover illegal guns, putting violent criminals behind bars and making guns safer in the household - fingerprint recognition technology is not too far away, easier and safer locks.
I hold a RN license. I went to school for 4 years to get it, went through a national test, several federal background tests. Yet every 2 years I have to hack up more money and take CC courses to renew my license. And this is just for my "privelage" to have a profession! But my applying for a license and doing what is needed to maintain it is me keeping up my end of the bargain as a citizen IMO. Because people in this country decided they want health professionals to maintain licensure. So I do it. Are there people nailed occasionally for practicing without a license? Sure there are. So does that justify throwing out the entire licensure system? Get my drift?
I disagree,so called compliance with society's wishes could also be construed as tyranny by the masses,regarding certain issues..Having a professional career is not safeguarded in the Bill of Rights while owning a weapon and self defense is.
Also,as I mentioned in another thread Canada created a registration that has depleted their budget while doing little good.Once you license something,it becomes a privilage not a right,controled by the whims of the government.
There is also not many who want to ban RN'S ,while there are a said few who would ban and confiscate firearms if given the chance.
like I said putup or shutup, except a right to own a gun, unable to be confiscated or all bets off! this is not nor ever will be the uk or other country. no more comparisons of any kind. except I have a permanent right to own and use a gun unrestricted to confiscation or you all are full of it and your true want is confiscation.put it in print right now or go make cookies and leave us alone. If you want my respect for your position, respect my right, not privaledge, to own a gun. no limits, no fine print.
after registering there guns , in both england and austrailia, there guns were later banned. confiscated. funny thing is that gun crimes went up and stay up. 10% higher in england, 7% in austrailia. just gun related crimes. thats after hundreds of thousands of guns are are destroyed, gone for good. shouldnt it go down? wonder who didnt turn in there guns?
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but you have to do one thing for me in return.
a constitutional amendment that states that every american citizen has a right to keep and own any and all guns they want. as long as they are not convicted of a violent crime, (murder,rape,armed robbery,etc)that no state, county, or local regs can stop me from owning, carrying and using a gun for the rest of my life. It cannot be revoked nor confiscated do to marshal law, prez exec order, and no international law wrote by the United Nations can overrule it.any gun any type, .17-50cal, single shot to full auto. OK folks, there it is, putup or SHUTUP!
gun crimes up
10% higher in england, 7% in austrailia. just gun related crimes. thats after hundreds of thousands of guns are are destroyed, gone for good. shouldnt it go down? 
wonder who didnt turn in there guns?
