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Um African Tribes did fight against the Europeans. We all know what happens when the Europeans come to town,; rape, murder, stealing of land and gold. I guess it isn't all bad they could've done to the blacks what they did to the Native Americans and Mayans.
Fast forward to today: the descendants of said indigenous people originally from Mexico and further south living in the USA now self identify as 'Hispanics' following an archaic variety of Spanish culture----------and, many are belligerent about embracing it as well.
But since you brought it up, I am confused about my own identity's label... most people would call me white, since I am a redhead with pale skin and blue eyes. However, I am Jewish, so any neo-Nazi/KKK type would NEVER refer to me as white. So I think I'll just call myself pink from now on!
And the screamin' irony is that Israel is having a Neo-Nazi problem---------never mind that said 'Nazis' would have been murdered by the original ones for obvious reasons.
You might be missing the bigger picture and point.
In a previous conversations we've had, you've said that being called "black" is not offensive to you - unless, of course, it's in some sort of derogatory manner.
That sounds pretty good to me.
The point is that I'm an American who happens to be white. And unless I'm mistaken, you're an American who happens to be black. Sound to me like what we really are is we're both Americans. And more importantly, we're both people. To me, that's all that's really important.
All of the above it true. When I am out of the country it is sufficient to just say that I am an American. When I introduce myself to folks, I'm just O.V. Catto (well not really but you get the drift). But when I have to enter into a discussion about ethnicity, culture, or politics then my being an American of African descent brings along with it a whole different narrative, and perspective which has been shaped and prodded by American history and culture, for good and for bad.
So, what I am is important, because what I am has been shaped by American history, and the history of descendants of African people in this country. Being African American is my...well as Max Weber would have put it, my weltanschauung.
I may be an American who happens to be black, but being black accounts for a whole lot of what has happened.
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Fast forward to today: the descendants of said indigenous people originally from Mexico and further south living in the USA now self identify as 'Hispanics' following an archaic variety of Spanish culture----------and, many are belligerent about embracing it as well.
AB,that is what gets me about this "fad" of type casting someone by ancestory or ethnicity....the belligerence by some who want to be Americans,but yet want to be identified as something else.I do not understand it in the least and I find it somewhat irritating.IMO either you are an American or you're not,no big deal.
Um no, what you cited clearly a follow-suit of Hilter, then you went back to mention more arocities. Keep your focus, how does this lessen the evils of Europeans?
What is your point?
Have you forgotten about Genghis Khan, Mohammed, etc? OK: strictly speaking, Arabs are White-----------but, many White supremacists do not accept that.
The cold reality is it was the luck of the draw that the Euros and the Japanese had better weapons coupled with warlike cultures.
Things change: not so many years ago the stereotype of Ireland was the 'Fighting Irish' logo; today..........the logo (and stereotype) of Ireland today is the harp. Same ethnicity but Ireland's culture has changed that much.
I guess, this my previous simplification wasn't simple enough.
If the person can tell you that he/she is from Ethiopia then they are not African Americans, they are Ethiopians, or Ethiopian Americans or even Americans of African descent if they so chose.
African Americans are African Americans because they CAN NOT identify their country of origin, just the continent.
Why is this such a hard concept to understand, surely European Americans are brighter than this!
Not so true anymore: DNA testing can determine with a fair amount of accuracy where an American Black person's ancestors originally hailed from within Africa.
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What is your point?
Have you forgotten about Genghis Khan, Mohammed, etc? OK: strictly speaking, Arabs are White-----------but, many White supremacists do not accept that.
The cold reality is it was the luck of the draw that the Euros and the Japanese had better weapons coupled with warlike cultures.
Things change: not so many years ago the stereotype of Ireland was the 'Fighting Irish' logo; today..........the logo (and stereotype) of Ireland today is the harp. Same ethnicity but Ireland's culture has changed that much.
If a "Black " person in America traveled to Africa and told a "Black " African that he was African American, there are places deep in the bush were they would have no idea what you were talking about, if he told them he was a "Negro" their eyes would lite up because they understand that as a tribal designation for Black people in the the western world. black people in America have very little in commom with black people in Africa compared to what they have in common with white people in America, Native Americans used to call Black people " black white man" tse-mook-tse-mook-too-too-keon
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