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Bad analogy. Mexico would be more like Israel in this case, showing up hundreds or thousands of years after they lost the territory.
Jews have been living in Israel for thousands of years under the Ottoman. In 1880's more jews came back to Israel and drained the swamps.The Jewish effort to revitalize the land attracted an equally large immigration of Arabs from neighboring areas who were drawn by employment opportunities and healthier living conditions. There was never any attempt to "rid" the area of what few Arabs there or those Arab masses that immigrated into this area along with the Jews!
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Last edited by Imnothere; 01-04-2009 at 12:00 PM..
To answer the OP - we would never give up ANY territory - I know the OP knows that...
But for the sake of posing a hypothetical ...
We would go in and kick their ever loving butts the heck out of Texas and California - re-establish US rule there - then pursue the terrorists into Mexico regardless of what the Mexican government thought -and continue hunter-killer operations until the threat of missile attacks were permanently removed...
We would occupy a sufficient 'buffer' between Mexico and the US to prevent further strikes.
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To answer the OP - we would never give up ANY territory - I know the OP knows that...
But for the sake of posing a hypothetical ...
We would go in and kick their ever loving butts the heck out of Texas and California - re-establish US rule there - then pursue the terrorists into Mexico regardless of what the Mexican government thought -and continue hunter-killer operations until the threat of missile attacks were permanently removed...
We would occupy a sufficient 'buffer' between Mexico and the US to prevent further strikes.
You're damn well right that is what we would do! So Israel has went further to make peace than we ever would have went! Israel did give up territory and got shells in return.
I always enjoy your posts tinman01. I was always under the impression that the military funds provided from the US to Israel was to protect them from a whole variety of Mid East enemies....not just the Palestinians. I doubt they would get that support from any European counties who claim political correctness, but don't seem to be any more fond of the Jewish nationality than they were in the past.
So, I agree that our funds may be misplaced and may even end the existing conflict....but would it be inviting an eventual blood bath from elsewhere?
Just asking.
No what I think is that necessity is the mother of invention. I think if faced with going broke supporting one war after another or finding ways to compromise Israel will but more effort into finding a middle ground. As it stands we foot the bill and they do what they wanted to do anyway. There really is no need for them to adopt an alternative approach as long as we pay the bills, and shield them from the international community.
Conversely where does Hamas get their weapons? The materials to build said weapons? The world community needs to involve themselves more in that area.
Peace can not happen as long as the outsiders continue to make war the easier option.
The world community needs to take control of the situation.
1) Israel needs to cease the invasion immediately
2) Peacekeepers need to be sent in on the border
3) An emergency meeting of world leaders, with Palestinian and Israeli leaders at the table, needs to take place, in which boundaries need to be drawn, and immediate implementation of Palestinian infrastructure be planned
Once the Palestinian people begin to see their lives improve, they will have no patience for Hamas.
Sen. Harry Reid (D) said this morning on a television show that Israel has every right to do what they are doing. Another democrat on another show said the same thing, I don't remember his name.
The Mexican government lost the territory of Texas, not "Mexican" people many of whom fought to Texas' independence. Mexicans who lived in Texas during independence didn't lose their land to Texas settlers, nor for the most part where they made second class citizens.
Very true.
Many of the defenders of the Alamo apparently were the sons of those Mexicons who told Spain to take a hike a generation earlier
Jews have been living in Israel for thousands of years under the Ottoman. In 1880's more jews came back to Israel and drained the swamps.The Jewish effort to revitalize the land attracted an equally large immigration of Arabs from neighboring areas who were drawn by employment opportunities and healthier living conditions. There was never any attempt to "rid" the area of what few Arabs there or those Arab masses that immigrated into this area along with the Jews!
masada2000.org/historical.html
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There most certainly was a concerted effort to rid Israel of Arabs during the 1948 war. Many cities and villages were ethinically cleansed during this period in a concerted effort to rid Israel of as much of its Arab population as possible.
OK now it really has not happened. But let's say it does. Let's say that the Mexicans decide that they want their "occupied territory" back. Let's say the demand that we give them back Texas and California. Then they send terrorist and suicide bombers into the USA and start blowing things up and killing people. We fight them for years but we finally decide that the bloodshed is not worth it and we give them back Texas and California and say "OK we have removed all US citizens from those states and we are giving them back in hopes of a lasting peace.
But then the Mexicans move into those areas and say they do not want peace and they do not think the USA has any right to exist. And then from Texas, the Mexicans begin shelling towns and cities in Oklahoma killing innocent people. But we are not really in the mood to fight them so we ask for a cease fire and they promise a cease fire. Then, the folllowing week, another 100 shells come down in Oklahoma and Nevada killing more American civilians. And they keep shelling. What do you think the USA would do at this point????
Do you see the point here with Israel and Hamas??
I agree 100% with your analogy. If a scenario like that ever happened though unfortunately most of the international media would be on Mexico's side and paint the U.S as the bad guys in all of this because most of the world hates both the U.S and Israel equally and loudly cheer for the demise of those 2 countries. You would see protests throughout the world from Tehran to London condemning the U.S for striking back against Mexico even though we were only doing it in self defense but as usual turning a blind eye whenever Mexico would fire rockets into the U.S.
There most certainly was a concerted effort to rid Israel of Arabs during the 1948 war. Many cities and villages were ethinically cleansed during this period in a concerted effort to rid Israel of as much of its Arab population as possible.
Apparently that effort was not a great success since above 1 million Arabs currently live INSIDE Israel and are Israel's citizens. The later 1967 effort was also a failure, since 2 millions currently live on the west bank and gaza stip.
First of all, the Ottoman empire didn't last thousands of years. Jews were just one of several different groups living in the Levant. Your statement about Arabs "emigrating" there for employment opportunities is a canard--I'm assuming you got that from the book "From Time Immemorial", which was debunked as fraud shortly after it came out? You should be more careful in what you read.
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Originally Posted by Imnothere
Jews have been living in Israel for thousands of years under the Ottoman. In 1880's more jews came back to Israel and drained the swamps.The Jewish effort to revitalize the land attracted an equally large immigration of Arabs from neighboring areas who were drawn by employment opportunities and healthier living conditions. There was never any attempt to "rid" the area of what few Arabs there or those Arab masses that immigrated into this area along with the Jews!
masada2000.org/historical.html
link^
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