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Old 01-07-2009, 12:28 AM
 
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Heterosexuals commit crimes like this every day, and yet, most of the heterosexual community remains silent about it.

I'm really disappointed.

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CAMARILLO -- A Jewish preschool in Camarillo has been vandalized with swastikas and anti-Semitic phrases for the second time in a week and the fourth time in a year.

A parent discovered the hate messages Monday morning at the Gan Camarillo Preschool.

Last Wednesday, vandals etched black swastikas on the sidewalk in front of the school along with the words "white power."


SoCal Jewish Preschool Vandalized With Swastikas Again (http://www.ktla.com/landing_news/?SoCal-Jewish-Preschool-Vandalized-With-S=1&blockID=174911&feedID=171 - broken link)
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Old 01-07-2009, 01:22 AM
 
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I know you're doing this thread tongue-in-cheek, but this is a sad story... how could they target a Pre-school? And for everyone who was confused about the definition of a hate crime, this would qualify. See, because this building was targeted for representing Judaism, not a position on a political issue. Plus the words "white pride" clearly imply their dislike of anyone non-"white."

Now back to your real point... as a Jew, this gives me a good excuse to hate all white people. Right??
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Old 01-07-2009, 01:34 AM
 
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And for everyone who was confused about the definition of a hate crime, this would qualify. See, because this building was targeted for representing Judaism, not a position on a political issue. Plus the words "white pride" clearly imply their dislike of anyone non-"white."
Excellent point. Yes, I did intend to be tongue-in-cheek with this thread, but now I'm glad that I posted it. It serves as a great example to teach the difference between a hate crime (as in this case) versus a crime based on a political issue (as was the case with the vandalized Catholic church).

Well done!

Now, back to being somewhat tongue-in-cheek (but still hoping to make a point): I sure wish that heterosexuals would stop with all of this "white power" crap. I mean - I assume it's heterosexuals who vandalized the Jewish preschool because I don't know of too many homosexuals who belong to white supremacy groups.
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Old 01-07-2009, 02:03 AM
 
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Excellent point. Yes, I did intend to be tongue-in-cheek with this thread, but now I'm glad that I posted it. It serves as a great example to teach the difference between a hate crime (as in this case) versus a crime based on a political issue (as was the case with the vandalized Catholic church).

Well done!

Now, back to being somewhat tongue-in-cheek (but still hoping to make a point): I sure wish that heterosexuals would stop with all of this "white power" crap. I mean - I assume it's heterosexuals who vandalized the Jewish preschool because I don't know of too many homosexuals who belong to white supremacy groups.

Is stereotyping Nazis as heterosexuals PC? Perhaps the Nazis have a "don't ask, don't tell policy". Just so you know, I think the hate crime laws that apply to speech and press are so extremely dangerous to free speech that I am willing to accept the heterosexual slurs you've used, and far worse, as a tiny price to pay for the freedom of expression that safeguards our democracy. When government is free to apply different measures to identical actions and decide what is and is not forbidden speech we're all screwed (the left too). I do wish the left would stop playing with fire.

So if a Jewish daycare center is vandalized, it is a hate crime per GIZMO980. But, if a Catholic Church is vandalized, that is not a hate crime? Liberals really do hate our system of representative governance, don't they?
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Old 01-07-2009, 02:17 AM
 
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Is stereotyping Nazis as heterosexuals PC? Perhaps the Nazis have a "don't ask, don't tell policy". Just so you know, I think the hate crime laws that apply to speech and press are so extremely dangerous to free speech that I am willing to accept the heterosexual slurs you've used, and far worse, as a tiny price to pay for the freedom of expression that safeguards our democracy. When government is free to apply different measures to identical actions and decide what is and is not forbidden speech we're all screwed (the left too). I do wish the left would stop playing with fire.

So if a Jewish daycare center is vandalized, it is a hate crime per GIZMO980. But, if a Catholic Church is vandalized, that is not a hate crime? Liberals really do hate our system of representative governance, don't they?
I think I was pretty clear that my comments about heterosexuals were tongue-in-cheek.

GIZMO is right. In order to determine if a crime qualifies as a hate crime, you have to look at the motive behind the crime. The Catholic church was not attacked because of their religion, they were attacked because of their position on a political issue.
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Old 01-07-2009, 03:02 AM
 
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I think I was pretty clear that my comments about heterosexuals were tongue-in-cheek.

GIZMO is right. In order to determine if a crime qualifies as a hate crime, you have to look at the motive behind the crime. The Catholic church was not attacked because of their religion, they were attacked because of their position on a political issue.
Says who? The anti-religious gays who are all hot and bothered about prop 8? I don't think we need Perry Mason for this one.
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Old 01-07-2009, 03:12 AM
 
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Says who? The anti-religious gays who are all hot and bothered about prop 8? I don't think we need Perry Mason for this one.
I guess you believe in presuming guilt before innocence. I don't.

If someone threatens Obama with violence, should I assume that the threat is coming from a McCain supporter?
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Old 01-07-2009, 04:30 AM
 
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Heterosexuals commit crimes like this every day, and yet, most of the heterosexual community remains silent about it.

I'm really disappointed.

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CAMARILLO -- A Jewish preschool in Camarillo has been vandalized with swastikas and anti-Semitic phrases for the second time in a week and the fourth time in a year.

A parent discovered the hate messages Monday morning at the Gan Camarillo Preschool.

Last Wednesday, vandals etched black swastikas on the sidewalk in front of the school along with the words "white power."


SoCal Jewish Preschool Vandalized With Swastikas Again (http://www.ktla.com/landing_news/?SoCal-Jewish-Preschool-Vandalized-With-S=1&blockID=174911&feedID=171 - broken link)

I guess you must be gay to mention that they are hetero sexual and I have no clue why you mention it together with the horrible crime they committed!!!

It isn't making the case of gays better if you are putting a label on a group which has nothing to do with the crime and how are you certain they were hetero sexual..did you interview them or did any of your female friends had sex with them? What if one of them turned out to be gay......
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Old 01-07-2009, 04:48 AM
 
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I guess you must be gay to mention that they are hetero sexual and I have no clue why you mention it together with the horrible crime they committed!!!

It isn't making the case of gays better if you are putting a label on a group which has nothing to do with the crime and how are you certain they were hetero sexual..did you interview them or did any of your female friends had sex with them? What if one of them turned out to be gay......
I think you just proved AnUnidentifiedMale's point.

Please see the other thread for clarification.

Hate crimes: Gays vandalize SF Castro church!
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Old 01-07-2009, 12:31 PM
 
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I guess you must be gay to mention that they are hetero sexual and I have no clue why you mention it together with the horrible crime they committed!!!

It isn't making the case of gays better if you are putting a label on a group which has nothing to do with the crime and how are you certain they were hetero sexual..did you interview them or did any of your female friends had sex with them? What if one of them turned out to be gay......
Beautiful illustration of the point I was making. Thank you for that. When the shoe is on the other foot, a lot of people here have no trouble at all blaming homosexuals for the crime.
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