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Old 01-31-2009, 10:28 AM
 
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We got moms being arrested on planes and labeled as terrorists because they argue with a flight attendant...but gang members roam free and are even recruited by the military.
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Old 01-31-2009, 10:51 AM
 
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I eas a policeman in Watts when the Crips were started--I've never understood why the US constitutional provison against advocating the violent overthrow of the US has not been invoked against gangs. Gangs are really dangerous--moreso than most people can even fathom.
That sort of logic and understanding of criminal law coming from someone who worked for the LAPD doesn't surprising me. You weren't at the Ramparts Div by any chance?



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Old 01-31-2009, 11:05 AM
 
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I grew up in Washington, D.C. during the Rafel Edmond drug era but you know what I realize. Poor schools and bad parenting are much more of a threat to this country than gangs. Gangs are sensationalized through documentaries and propaganda but good parenting and sound education will neutralize the draw of a gang..It did for me.
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Old 01-31-2009, 01:49 PM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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Gangs are a huge problem. They are spreading rapidly, and branching into areas where they previously were completly unknown. The Reservations around hre have been infiltrated heavily, and these creeps operate out there almost with impunity. Regular law enforcement has no jurisdiction out there and the Tribal departments are way undermanned. It's not just an urban issue anymore.
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Old 01-31-2009, 01:55 PM
 
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Depends...how do you define "gangs"... is it any criminal "organization"... would you consider someone who commits a crime independently and then sells it to a criminal organization as part of a "gang" as well? And how do you define "crime"... does it include misdemeanors and felonies? or just felonies? Would an illegal brothel be labeled as a "gang" as well? Statistics are just that... ways to twist the truth of the matter..
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Old 01-31-2009, 03:07 PM
 
Location: Under a bridge.
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That sort of logic and understanding of criminal law coming from someone who worked for the LAPD doesn't surprising me. You weren't at the Ramparts Div by any chance?



O.V. Catto
Crenshaw H.S.

No I didn't work in an area as nice as Rampart. ...and my inflamatory remark has nothing to do with my knowledge of criminal law. It has a lot to do with seeing the suffering caused by those hoodlums.
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Old 01-31-2009, 04:15 PM
 
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No I didn't work in an area as nice as Rampart. ...and my inflamatory remark has nothing to do with my knowledge of criminal law. It has a lot to do with seeing the suffering caused by those hoodlums.
The suffering part I can understand, while working for one paper, whose name we shall not speak, I couldn't get a story about gang violence into the paper until the they decided to have an version of the Gunfight at the O.K. Corral with AK-47s on a bright Sunday afternoon, and even then I had to do a little yelling and screaming.

But when I read, such inflammatory remarks about the law and the criminal justice system, especially on this board, it gives me grave cause for concern. Your point has been duly noted and accepted for what it is. Sorry for jumping on your comments.
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Old 01-31-2009, 04:41 PM
 
Location: Under a bridge.
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The suffering part I can understand, while working for one paper, whose name we shall not speak, I couldn't get a story about gang violence into the paper until the they decided to have an version of the Gunfight at the O.K. Corral with AK-47s on a bright Sunday afternoon, and even then I had to do a little yelling and screaming.

But when I read, such inflammatory remarks about the law and the criminal justice system, especially on this board, it gives me grave cause for concern. Your point has been duly noted and accepted for what it is. Sorry for jumping on your comments.
No problem. LAPD is one of the finest policing agencies in the world. --or rather it was when I worked there in the late 1960s through the mid 1990s. (this doesn't mean that there were/are not problems--any big organization has problems...but it how those problems are delt with that is important.)

I am very proud to have been one of the 0.25% who were hired and made it through the academy. I am very proud of the people that I worked with, and pleased that we were able to protect the citizens we could.

Unless you actually saw, on a daily basis what's going on, you could have no idea the pain, suffering, misery and fear caused by gang members. Even though you were a police reporter, you did not see the worst of it. It is horrible. Many people who lived in the community where I worked said that they would rather be in jail--because they would be safer there. Whether one chose to believe them or not irrelevant. Just uttering such words is an indictment of our ability to rid the community of the scourge of gangs.
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