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Yet, in my area of the country, ELL students are very common - in Las Vegas for instance, there have been some estimates of upwards to a 1/3 of the students in the Clark County School Districts are children of illegal immigrants - and they (the students) have little knowledge of english yet, they HAVE TO BE placed in "regular" classes - where they actually hold back other students from learning.
AGain.. GD.. like I said.. what works for YOUR Area.. I don't begrudge anyone that.. I OPPOSE it on a BLANKET national level
BTW.. your social engineering theory is .. well flawed.. WHY? well because if that were true then all of us in an equal education environement would be making the same money.. guess what .. we're not..
It's not my theory - it's Ed School and educator theory, and I agree it doesn't work. That doesn't stop ed schools from teaching it though, does it? Just look at the evidence I posted that shows that the equal outcomes ideology is taught in Ed Schools throughout the country.
LOL.. hmm.. Fist.. where the hell is Lake Wobegon USA.. LOL. THAt is NOT my SD.. nor any district in an area that I grew up in.. So it doesn't apply
The article discusses how parents and others in several school districts throughout the U.S. are shocked to find out that the results their schools' report on their students' achievement is deceptive.
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And did you NOT READ the line where I say.. GREAT.. if vouchers work for your AREA.. go right ahead.. BUT I'm opposed for it across a NATIONAL BOARD!!! Because schools are so localized what works for YOUR district won't for others. I don't begrudge you or anyonen doing what is best for your area.. but STAY OUT OF MINE ..we'll figure out what works best of us where we are, thank you very much!
You could stay in your public school with school choice, so where's the problem? Why are you so afraid to give people a choice?
And.. it will not be wanted in certain areas.. where schools are closely tied into property values. If you suddenly did away with the structure of things , say on Long Island, then you would have many up in arms who paid more for their home to live in a certain district who will now loose that value because it no longer applies.
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The article discusses how parents and others in several school districts throughout the U.S. are shocked to find out that the results their schools' report on their students' achievement is deceptive.
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You could stay in your public school with school choice, so where's the problem? Why are you so afraid to give people a choice?
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Vouchers are designed to kill public ed. They are designed primarily to let whites in the South opt out of going to schools with blacks. Hence, the reasons the GOP loves 'em.
Comparing public schools and private schools is a clasic apples and oranges. You do know that?
Public schools MUST take all children in a given geographic area; private schools pick and choose.
Also, don't think all private schools are living up to the hype promoted by the businesses that invest in them.
One in the Milwaukee area was closed by Wi DPI after it was found that they were letting the students either leave or play games in the classroom, while the Admin. was busy forging test scores. Much of their PR comes from the fact that they are not closely regulated by anyone but themselves.
If a parent has a child in a low performing public school, or a school that has problems with drugs or violence, why shouldn't they have the opportunity to place THEIR child in an environment where their child can get a better education and perhaps a safer environment?
Oh, I know - let them pay for it is the usual response. But, what if they cannot afford to pay for it? Who suffers? The child does.
I say, let the parents have the choice - if they request a voucher, let them have it. If the tuition at the private school is more than the voucher, then the parents will have to make arrangements to pay the difference.
Either way, the cost to the taxpayers is exactly the same.
.Vouchers are designed to kill public ed. They are designed primarily to let whites in the South opt out of going to schools with blacks. Hence, the reasons the GOP loves 'em.
Comparing public schools and private schools is a clasic apples and oranges. You do know that?
Public schools MUST take all children in a given geographic area; private schools pick and choose.
Taking all children in a given area isn't the problem. It's how the public schools educate them that has caused/is continuing to cause the achievement declines noted in A Nation At Risk and The Other Crisis in American Education.
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Also, don't think all private schools are living up to the hype promoted by the businesses that invest in them.
One in the Milwaukee area was closed by Wi DPI after it was found that they were letting the students either leave or play games in the classroom, while the Admin. was busy forging test scores. Much of their PR comes from the fact that they are not closely regulated by anyone but themselves.
If that happens, families can choose a different school.
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Why do Republicans/Conservatives hate Public Education so much?
Because if EVERYONE in America had a decent education,the republican party would cease to exist is why.
Uh ... You have that backwards ... Most of the Democratic platform is based in emotionalism which many college educated folks can see right through. Liberalism depends upon the uneducated to survive which is why our public education system is so dumbed down.
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Well, most conservatives and even many libertarians (myself included) don't have a problem with public education per se and would abolish it even if given the power to do so, but rather how wasteful and unsuccessful it is.
The US spends more per student than most nations on Earth. In fact, the only nation I am aware of that spends more on education per primary and secondary student is Switzerland. Yet most other First World nations outperform the US on tests.
Not only are test scores lower, but the money isn't even all that well spent. Even many schools in middle-class neighborhoods still have problems with funding repairs, after-school programs, building additions to school builds, etc.
And to top it all off, American teachers aren't the highest paid in the world (although they are pretty high on the list) and they don't have a low pupil to teacher ratio. Where is all the money going? It's not all going to the teachers, it's not going to building repairs, most after-class programs and activities are under-funded, and so on.
Exactly! Where is all of our tax dollars going? I know several public school teachers and they aren't going towards the classroom or teacher pay!
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