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First, the idea of everyone being religious has nothing to do with the issue. The issue is what does the US Constitution say. Th 1st Amendment states that CONgress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; ... This does not mean that government can have nothing to do with religion.
The tricky part is in the word "law." Everything the government does in an official capacity is a matter of law. In other words, if a Ten Commandments display is allowed to remain, it then becomes a matter of law that such displays are legal. That's what the court determines: legality/illegality. As such a display shows preference to one religion, it falls under the establishment clause.
"In other words, if a Ten Commandments display is allowed to remain, it then becomes a matter of law that such displays are legal. That's what the court determines: legality/illegality. As such a display shows preference to one religion, it falls under the establishment clause."
Wouldn't legislating away the display of the Ten Commandments be tantamount to the establishment of the religion of secularism?
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If you check out my thread in "religion and Philosophy" you will see that I have demonstrated the following:
All world views require faith and also contain many of the tenets of the BASIC definition of religion. Therefore, it can be reasonably asserted that we are all, to a degree, religious in our various world views.
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If we are all religious, how is it possible to have a separation of church and state?
There cannot be a separation of GOD and STATE because God is omnipresent in all affairs of man. But there is- and should be a WALL of separation between CHURCH and STATE. Church and God are NOT one in the same. I believe in the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. I trust Him as my Lord with all my heart and soul. I however DETEST organized religion which turns FAITH in our Lord and Saviour into a CULT like thing where people actually have FAITH in man (usually their preacher) as opposed to the Lord and Saviour. I do not want a CULT running my schools, courts or any other branch of government. I do however welcome people of faith.
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nvxplorer,
"In other words, if a Ten Commandments display is allowed to remain, it then becomes a matter of law that such displays are legal. That's what the court determines: legality/illegality. As such a display shows preference to one religion, it falls under the establishment clause."
Wouldn't legislating away the display of the Ten Commandments be tantamount to the establishment of the religion of secularism?
Secularism is not a religion. It is the presence of ALL religions, domination by NO religion. If you look in the yellow pages under "Churches" you will not find "Churches- Secular" in there. The closest thing is a non denominational church.
"In other words, if a Ten Commandments display is allowed to remain, it then becomes a matter of law that such displays are legal. That's what the court determines: legality/illegality. As such a display shows preference to one religion, it falls under the establishment clause."
Wouldn't legislating away the display of the Ten Commandments be tantamount to the establishment of the religion of secularism?
Secularism is not a religion.
The protection of certain threatened species of small amphibians does look like sponsorship of the religion of Geico, however. We need to look into that.
There cannot be a separation of GOD and STATE because God is omnipresent in all affairs of man. But there is- and should be a WALL of separation between CHURCH and STATE. Church and God are NOT one in the same. I believe in the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. I trust Him as my Lord with all my heart and soul. I however DETEST organized religion which turns FAITH in our Lord and Saviour into a CULT like thing where people actually have FAITH in man (usually their preacher) as opposed to the Lord and Saviour. I do not want a CULT running my schools, courts or any other branch of government. I do however welcome people of faith.
Do you believe in the inerrancy of sacred scripture?
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Do you believe in the inerrancy of sacred scripture?
The Bible was written by men and nothing done by man is perfect. My feeling is that generally the Bible can be looked at as a book of LAW (the Old Testament) and a book of GRACE (the New Testament). They are pretty much exclusive- either you live under LAW or you live under GRACE. But many religions pick the PARTS of the LAW they think we should live under and toss the rest aside and replace that with GRACE. To me, if you want to live under LAW, you should obey ALL the LAW and not just what you think. That means church is on Saturday and no pork or shellfish to name a few. I prefer to live under GRACE which is what I have been promised by the Lord Jesus Christ.
In terms of approaches towards formulating a world view, how would you differentiate between the religious and secular?
Each one uses faith and hopefully, reason/logic to weigh the evidence and make a decision. Each one has their own view of morality and values. Why would the secular minded person rate preferential treatment in the public square?
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