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Old 03-01-2009, 03:43 PM
 
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Not only can she send Uncle Sam any extra amount of money she wishes (just like Warren Buffet can, but has NOT done), but she can also provide people carpool rides to help save the environment...something I bet she also has NOT done.
I do not presently do that, but in the past have done. I presently use mass transit to commute and for other purposes.

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I have never run into anyone that didn't want to add to their net worth whether they needed the money or not. This is a first.
Where exactly did I state that? I don't object to seeing my net worth increase, but I am firmly against seeing things like mail fraud, liquor store robberies, and stupid Republican tax cuts for the rich be the agents for accomplishing that.

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It just doesn't compute with anyone who has worked hard to become successful in the first place. Something is just not right about what this person is saying. I really question whether she's being honest...
Question all you like. Consider, however, that there may simply be some cadre of very well-to-do people out there who have more integrity and higher moral principles than you do. I think, for instance, that everyone in my neighborhood could be considered a member of that cadre...
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Old 03-01-2009, 03:47 PM
 
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As long as we're going to get all anecdotal, I've had extensive experience with and within both public sector and private sector bureaucracies over the years, and from my experience, compared to their public sector counterparts, private sector bureaucracies are bastions of corruption, incompetence, and inefficiency. To grossly over-generalize for purposes of brevity, the mid-level private sector environment is typified by your 2.5-to-3.0 GPA guys who specialized in schmoozing in school and think mostly about themselves, while at the same level in the public sector are your 3.5-to-4.0 GPA types who actually focussed on academics when they had that chance and think mostly about the job. They know they'll never get rich working for the government, but they are willing to trade down on the income scale in order to move up on the quality-of-work scale. Your mileage may vary, of course, but my impressions are that the sterotypes of so-called bureaucrats and so-called businessmen are both sadly and seriously misdrawn...

i couldn't agree with you more. these corporate bureaucracies rely on stringent regulation to hamper competitions access to market and make a compelling case for deregulation.
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Old 03-01-2009, 03:52 PM
 
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Oh my gosh! I cannot believe what I'm reading!!! You are absolutely hilarious!!! I can't stop laughing AT YOU!!!
Another case of Class Envy.

Well, either that or a growing realization of inadequacy...
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Old 03-01-2009, 03:53 PM
 
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In the same sense that the grocery store "steals" all that money from you at the end of the checkout line each week in order to pay their suppliers and employees...

this is a load of nonsense. there is a very big difference. if i have a problem with my service at the grocery store, i go to another one. if i have a problem with my government i have to rely on the opinions of my fellow citizens as to whether it gets re-elected.
and my grocery store doesn't force me to do anything. don't pay your taxes and see where that gets you!
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Old 03-01-2009, 04:01 PM
 
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Canada and France are nations that I think have some good socialist programs.

they work especially well during a booming economy. when the downturn comes along you see the huge cracks in the system. suddenly all their welfare funding starts to dry up and cuts have to be made. the worst thing about their systems are that the people believe wholeheartedly that the government has their backs only to find out that some cancer meds aren't available, or there aren't enough beds, surgeons, doctors etc
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Old 03-01-2009, 04:03 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Really? Feel free to fact check any post I have ever put up. Get back to me when you find one that makes factual claims for which there is not documentation available from reputable sources.
I've already asked you to do that. You haven't. All you ever post is your opinion.

That's correct, I hadn't. Quickly discovering a flaming lie within the first one seemed investigation enough.[/quote]
Again, nothing more than your opinion. You've never provided proof or verification of what you claim is false information.

The rest of your post is just very superficial and wishful thinking. You seem to not understand how the CRA and Clinton's revision of the CRA in 1995 impacted the subprime loan market and led to an increasing shift to creative securitization to make the increasing numbers of high-risk mortgages more marketable to investors.

Commentary: Bankruptcy, not bailout, is the right answer - CNN.com
The Trillion-Dollar Bank Shakedown That Bodes Ill for Cities by Howard Husock, City Journal Winter 2000
IBDeditorials.com: Editorials, Political Cartoons, and Polls from Investor's Business Daily -- How A Clinton-Era Rule Rewrite Made Subprime Crisis Inevitable

You have never provided any evidence that the information contained in the above links is incorrect.
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Old 03-01-2009, 04:04 PM
 
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And Capitalism is working?
what we've had is not capitalism!
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Old 03-01-2009, 04:06 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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what we've had is not capitalism!

Yes it is. It's called regulated (that is, more or less regulated) capitalism, which is what capitalism is everywhere in the world today.
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Old 03-01-2009, 04:07 PM
 
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Yes it is. It's called regulated (that is, more or less regulated) capitalism, which is what capitalism is everywhere in the world today.
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Old 03-01-2009, 04:07 PM
 
Location: West, Southwest, East & Northeast
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Another case of Class Envy.

Well, either that or a growing realization of inadequacy...
Nope, no class envy from me whatsoever. I'm on the extreme far end of that spectrum... And it's been proven for many decades that my adequacy is beyond question.

I find your statements very funny...and at the same time feel sorry for you. You don't measure up! You sound like nothing more than a wannabe to me.
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