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Did they just come recently, or is your head stuck in the early 19th century? Germans, Irish, and Italians haven't had much reason to emigrate to the US for a better life since the post-war era began. I'd wager quality of life there is higher than it is here anyway.
A friend of my mother's recently moved to Berlin to get an advanced engineering degree and got a pretty well paying job over there after being laid off in Michigan. Did you hear they don't just arrest you off the streets anymore? This isn't the only free and relatively prosperous country in the world. And I'll have you know that Europe certainly has its flood of immigrants...some people won't let you hear the end of it.
you are wrong. They have many reasons to emigrate, in fact some still do illegally. if you know the laws in America, you'll know that there is a quota, and the USA does not allow europeans to enter in large numbers. it allows africans, south american etc in much larger numbers.
My parents immigrated to this country with almost nothing and after 30 years, they are both American citizens, successful and they know for a fact that no other country on Earth would have allowed them to have the kind of life they have today. Growing up, I heard so many similar stories from people who came to this country with almost nothing and after 3, 4 years, they already had their own small business. If there is one thing about this country that makes it so incredible is the fact that everything is possible here, which is the essence of America and the reason why this country is so great.
When I hear Obama talk about Socialism, big government and higher taxes, I feel really angry and frustrated because so many people like my parents came to America in particular, because America offered something that no other country offered: freedom, liberty, limited government and economic opportunities.
Like them, so many other immigrants left behind countries like Germany, Ireland, Italy and many others because they knew America was much better.
Immigration is one of main reasons why this country has been so successful for the last 200 years. If this country is no longer attractive to immigrants and becomes just another mediocre socialist European style bureaucracy, I am afraid, it will be the end of America as we know it.
Those like you who are convinced that trying to repair the Bush/Cheney damage will ruin America are free to return to your parents' homeland if the heat gets to be too much for you here. After all, no way forward is going to painless. The nutjob wing of the GOP has driven us all deep into the ditch and climbing out isn't going to be easy or quick.
So, go ahead and bail.
But please stop trying to convince the rest of us that your paranoid delusions are real for anyone but you.
Another thread from Repubocrat reminding us all that we are doomed.
Is there an endgame to these threads, or does it just feel good to rant about "Socialism" and the end times?
Perhaps you know of some religious clergy who can offer advice. If this man (or woman, if it the case) were to bring up politics when offering you advice, my suggestion would be to run for your life, never to return again. The confluence of religion and politics is maddening enough to drive even a sane person over the edge
Right on!!!
It will only get worse you know...
December 31, 2012 is going to drive that ilk nuts...
It's the end of the Mayan Calendar...
It's the date that the sun will be in allignment with the Galactic Center...
Not sure, but think it is also the date that the sun passes thru the ecleptic of the galaxy...
The sky is falling - the sky is falling... Sell sky - sell sky!!! We're doomed.. DOOMED!!!
My parents immigrated to this country with almost nothing and after 30 years, they are both American citizens, successful and they know for a fact that no other country on Earth would have allowed them to have the kind of life they have today. Growing up, I heard so many similar stories from people who came to this country with almost nothing and after 3, 4 years, they already had their own small business. If there is one thing about this country that makes it so incredible is the fact that everything is possible here, which is the essence of America and the reason why this country is so great.
When I hear Obama talk about Socialism, big government and higher taxes, I feel really angry and frustrated because so many people like my parents came to America in particular, because America offered something that no other country offered: freedom, liberty, limited government and economic opportunities.
Like them, so many other immigrants left behind countries like Germany, Ireland, Italy and many others because they knew America was much better.
Immigration is one of main reasons why this country has been so successful for the last 200 years. If this country is no longer attractive to immigrants and becomes just another mediocre socialist European style bureaucracy, I am afraid, it will be the end of America as we know it.
We've had an awful lot of immigration, an unsustainable level of immigration in recent years. Our population cannot keep doubling every few decades because the impoverished of the world are pouring over the borders to have their "better life" of food stamps, free health care, and government housing subsidies.
The types we've been attracting are poor in part because they don't finish their education, they begin having children at a very young age and they don't tend to reproduce responsibly, preferring to have baby after baby when they have no means to support their children. It's why they're poor back in their own countries.
We'll keep being attractive to the kind of immigrants we're getting right now because as long as they are given hundreds of dollars in food stamps every month, WIC, and can have their many children at taxpayer expense, they'll keep coming. They can take the low paying jobs that provide no benefits like health care because they don't mind in the least having the government provide free health care and the subsidies they need in order to survive on those low-wage jobs.
Moderation is overrated. Look what it did for McCain. The base of either party is extreme. Don't play to them and you don't get elected. That's why the new president we thought might govern from the center is beginning to show his true colors and those colors are red, red and red. He did a great job pretending to be something he's not during the campaign, but now that it's over and he's a little more comfortable in his surroundings were getting what has been in the pipe all along.
The trillion dollar spending bill was just the opening salvo with a 3.6 trillion dollar budget being proposed right behind it and politically motivated select bailouts as far as the eye can see. Maybe now would be a good time for someone to tell him we're broke. Won't matter. We are about to have governmental intrusion into all areas of our lives and not in a good way. The consequences of big brother sticking his nose into places where it doesn't belong will, as always, have more side effects than Herpes medication. When will we ever learn that whatever the government involves itself in invariably becomes a huge money pit with terrible results.
Our latest financial fiasco is a prime example. Fannie stared as a good idea as part of the New deal to help keep liquidity in the mortgage markets. The CRA also started with good intentions to help reduce urban decay when Carter created it. But the two together were expanded far beyond what was prudent by vote seeking Democrats on the GSE's payroll. Many were also in bed with shake-down groups like ACORN who intimidated bank officials, regularly sued banks and potentially prevented bank mergers due to insufficient compliance with the CRA. The end result was a lot of unwise sub-prime lending and "no documentation required" liar loans to uncreditwothy blacks for homes in neighborhoods where home values typically declined. The rest is history.
1) Obama is returning wealth to the middle class--from which it was stolen when Bush lowered the wealthy's taxes. Obama is simply returning the wealthy to the tax level of the Clinton years. So yeah, if you think Clinton was a "socialist," then you think Obama is, too. Poor little rich kids.
2) He has not "threatened" to nationalize ANYthing. Even the leading pundits on CNBC--a decidedly conservative network--think that it would probably be a good idea to nationalize short-term. But Obama is not interested in running the banking industry. Are you frigging kidding???
3) He is not "taking over whole segments" of anything--other than those "segments" which have failed, and failed miserably, and which would go under forever without national TEMPORARY support.
4) He will not take away anybody's right to keep and bear arms. What fear-baiting crap.
5) "Unreasonable and excessive" very much depends on interpretation.
6) Forcing us to buy products like compact fluorescent bulbs? Um, the environment? This is no different than the government "forcing" us not to use DDT on our lawns. What bunk.
7) Not a "government" database; a "national" database. You know, like the national police most-wanted database? Big difference.
8) National Animal Identification System is a fabulous idea. It will not put ANY small farms out of business, and frankly, given the proliferation of horrifying places know as "puppy mills" in our society--which supply pet stores with their puppies--will go a long way in shutting these places down. Reputable breeders breed no more than one litter per year--at most. This will not be "burdensome" for any of them. In fact, reputable breeders want the mills shut down more than just about anybody else, because they anonymously turn out sick puppies by the millions and ruin the breedlines.
Inside a Puppy Mill (http://stoppuppymills.org/inside_a_puppy_mill.html - broken link)
Only someone who sees a difference between a "national' database and a "government" database would think anything the government takes over would be receiving "TEMPORARY support".
Clinton's numbers were in the toilet when he got bailed out by the Republican Revolution.
My suggestion to save the US would be to ship the neoCON rightwingers to another country where they would be more comfortable and fit in better...Any suggestions folks???
You got that right. It should have been done a long time ago. Our nation would be better off today with cons.
1) Obama is returning wealth to the middle class--from which it was stolen when Bush lowered the wealthy's taxes. Obama is simply returning the wealthy to the tax level of the Clinton years. So yeah, if you think Clinton was a "socialist," then you think Obama is, too. Poor little rich kids.
And that is an egregious lie.
Lowering taxes on those paying the most (the "rich" in the lexicon of a liberal) is not "stealing" from anybody. That is pure myth, and follows no logic whatsoever.
In order to believe that, you have to believe that there is "only so much to go around" which itself is illogical, and a lie.
Wealth is something that is created by individuals through effort (work), investing (in American businesses, [in other words, you are a part owner] which provides them needed capital (to use to expand, buy machinery and equipment, and HIRE PEOPLE (JOBS?). Jobs are good, right? We like jobs.
I wish for once one of you socialists would explain how it works that it is "stealing" from the middle class". None of you seem to be able to explain this principle. You just parrot the lie you have been taught. Have you ever once considered the logic (or lack thereof) of such an asinine averment?
The assumption seems to be this:
It is theft if someone is allowed keep more of what they have earned and have already been paid by their employer (their just compensation for their service to their employer.
If they reinvest some of what they have left over after paying their own bills, either in the company they work for or another company, and that returns a profit (that evil word to you socialists), which represents their share of the earnings of the company in which they are part owner, this is also theft (still doesn't translate to how it is stealing from anyone else; as an owner in the company, they have a right to their share of the earnings.
Please explain (if you can) why this is theft? They have earned every dime. The fact that the government is going to allow them to keep a larger percentage of what is theirs in the first place, does not make it theft.
Further, it has been proven time and time again, that reducing taxes actually increases tax revenue to the Federal government, for the simple reason that economic activity is stimulated; i.e., there is more activity, resulting in increased profits and therefor more tax revenue, not less.
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2) He has not "threatened" to nationalize ANYthing. Even the leading pundits on CNBC--a decidedly conservative network--think that it would probably be a good idea to nationalize short-term. But Obama is not interested in running the banking industry. Are you frigging kidding???
What he says is one thing. As we have already seen, what he does is another (who can trust him?), and there absolutely has been talk about nationalizing the banking system, which is one of the reasons that the markets continue to plunge. Investors are nervous, and they have no confidence in this administration.
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3) He is not "taking over whole segments" of anything--other than those "segments" which have failed, and failed miserably, and which would go under forever without national TEMPORARY support.
4) He will not take away anybody's right to keep and bear arms. What fear-baiting crap.
Right. I do not trust him here either. Making ammo unaffordable, will accomplish the same thing, will it not?
Kinda like the so called "fairness doctrine", huh? We are not going to reinstate a "fairness doctrine"; what we will do, is require more local content, and have local boards to determine if a station is or is not providing enough "local interest", and providing a balanced points of view; i.e., the "fairness doctrine, only we aren't calling it that.
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5) "Unreasonable and excessive" very much depends on interpretation.
Right
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6) Forcing us to buy products like compact fluorescent bulbs? Um, the environment?
Um, mercury?
You are supposed to have a HAZMAT team come out if you break one, and leave the area.
There is nothing wrong with the incandescent bulb. It isn't going to save us enough energy to mean anything. Give me a break. And the light output from these bulbs is poor. What the hell are you supposed to put in your chandelier?
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This is no different than the government "forcing" us not to use DDT on our lawns. What bunk.
7) Not a "government" database; a "national" database. You know, like the national police most-wanted database? Big difference.
8) National Animal Identification System is a fabulous idea. It will not put ANY small farms out of business, and frankly, given the proliferation of horrifying places know as "puppy mills" in our society--which supply pet stores with their puppies--will go a long way in shutting these places down. Reputable breeders breed no more than one litter per year--at most. This will not be "burdensome" for any of them. In fact, reputable breeders want the mills shut down more than just about anybody else, because they anonymously turn out sick puppies by the millions and ruin the breedlines.
If it is such a "fabulous idea" why are so many people fighting it?
It's not a "fabulous idea" Even kids raising their 4-H animals and showing them at fair will be subjected to this (we spent many years in 4-H, as well as having been advisors — I know a bit about how this will affect this worthwhile program).
Inside a Puppy Mill (http://stoppuppymills.org/inside_a_puppy_mill.html - broken link)[/quote]
Who's talking about "puppy mills"? I mentioned "breeders", not "mills". I don't like "puppy mills" either.
The problem I have with some of you people is that you look at everything only on the surface (which is what the government hopes you will do). You never get down in the trench to find out what the real effect of some regulation will be.
Fuel from corn, for example...sounds good. We can grow corn. But now we see the price of chicken rising, tortillas, corn chips, eggs, milk, beef, pork, corn meal, and on and on. Corn is used for food for livestock. If the supply is reduced because we are making fuel out of it, guess what?
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I'm sure it will be safe there.
The $12 Billion that Paul Bremer conveniently "lost" in Iraq will pay for a lot of former Blackwater employees to guard the Bush compound.
He might even be able to hire enough mercenaries to stage a coup d'etat if his kickback from Halliburton is large enough.
Him and the Moonies can take the whole country over
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