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Old 03-15-2009, 12:14 PM
 
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Sure and Obama is against pork too. He has stated that many times along the way.
Yes, he is against appropriations that don't serve any valid public purpose, but you expect him to have some sort of magic wand to make them all go away. Poof!!! Mission Accomplished!!! But that's not how it works. And you've been conditioned to believe that all earmarks are pork, just part of the reason why an actual definition of pork needs to be stated, but of course, never is. It's like porn...people claim to know it when they see it. Well, that's baloney. If it exists and we're supposed to get rid of it, write down what it is. If you can't, go home.

What Obama can do is go through the existing budget and line-out or defund those programs that he feels are wasteful or are not working or that address problems that no longer exist. Then he can send that new budget up to Congress. But Congress will add thousands of new earmarks to the appropriations bills that result. That's actually what they are supposed to do. What Obama is trying to is get updated are legislative rules that will require those earmarks to sit in the sunshine so people can see and comment on them before they get written into law. Once they are written into law, you can't get them out again.

Some people are trying to put together an earmark recision bill that would let the President specify earmarks that he objects to, and then Congress would have to repass those by a majority vote for them to stay in a bill. That may or may not be constitutional...time will tell on that front.
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Old 03-15-2009, 12:25 PM
 
Location: Earth
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When will the people who voted for Obama understand that he is a liar? What he has been doing so far is NOT good. What part of what he has done is good?
Mission Accomplished!?
4,123 killed + over 30,000 wounded later (not counting Iraqi & Afghani citizens dead).
Who is a liar?
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Old 03-15-2009, 02:48 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Yes, he is against appropriations that don't serve any valid public purpose, but you expect him to have some sort of magic wand to make them all go away. Poof!!! Mission Accomplished!!! But that's not how it works. And you've been conditioned to believe that all earmarks are pork, just part of the reason why an actual definition of pork needs to be stated, but of course, never is. It's like porn...people claim to know it when they see it. Well, that's baloney. If it exists and we're supposed to get rid of it, write down what it is. If you can't, go home.

What Obama can do is go through the existing budget and line-out or defund those programs that he feels are wasteful or are not working or that address problems that no longer exist. Then he can send that new budget up to Congress. But Congress will add thousands of new earmarks to the appropriations bills that result. That's actually what they are supposed to do. What Obama is trying to is get updated are legislative rules that will require those earmarks to sit in the sunshine so people can see and comment on them before they get written into law. Once they are written into law, you can't get them out again.

Some people are trying to put together an earmark recision bill that would let the President specify earmarks that he objects to, and then Congress would have to repass those by a majority vote for them to stay in a bill. That may or may not be constitutional...time will tell on that front.
There's also this thing called "veto power" which was not used.
Obama promised to end the pork and what we got was a double helping of pork from both sides of the political parties.
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Old 03-15-2009, 03:22 PM
 
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"The fundamentals are sound in the sense that the American workers are sound, we have a good capital stock, we have good technology," Romer


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Peter Orszag declared that "fundamentally, the economy is weak." Days later, Obama told reporters he was confident in the economy.

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Also Sunday, the president's team largely rejected suggestions that officials were considering taxing employees' health benefits. As a candidate Obama had called such a proposal a "multitrillion-dollar tax hike."
"I'm not leaving the door open," said Austan Goolsbee, a senior White House economist with a broad portfolio and a personal friendship with Obama, responding to a report in Sunday's New York Times. "The president has laid out a series of clear principles on the health plan that we will do whatever it takes to get affordable quality coverage to all Americans."
White House says economy is sound despite 'mess' (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090315/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama_economy - broken link)
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Old 03-15-2009, 03:39 PM
 
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There's also this thing called "veto power" which was not used.
Baby. Bath water. 98%. 2%. There are nine agencies out there that needed the money to fulfill their functions. CR's are not fun or efficient.

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Obama promised to end the pork and what we got was a double helping of pork from both sides of the political parties.
There ya go...all earmarks are pork. Ork! Ork!
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Old 03-15-2009, 03:42 PM
 
Location: South Fla
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Hey lets ignore Obama and his promises and when he breaks one we just change the topic to Bush

Now that is change you can believe in
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Old 03-15-2009, 03:54 PM
 
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Hey lets ignore Obama and his promises and when he breaks one we just change the topic to Bush

Now that is change you can believe in
You noticed that too? LOL
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Old 03-15-2009, 04:03 PM
 
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I know some of you hate Fox but Goolsbee is on with Chirs Wallace, B. Frank later and a few others. A pretty diverse set of characters.
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Old 03-15-2009, 05:01 PM
 
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I know some of you hate Fox but Goolsbee is on with Chirs Wallace, B. Frank later and a few others. A pretty diverse set of characters.
That little exchange reminded me of this article....
RealClearPolitics - Articles - Despite Crisis, It's Still Politics as Usual
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