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Old 04-07-2009, 08:16 AM
 
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Bush sucked. Bush was a miserable failure. Bush should never have been President. We complained about those things.

You're making up stuff. Just like under Clinton.

I swear, wingnuts are party first, country second, and it sickens me.

Seriously, go someplace where people aren't tied to our political identity (i.e., anyplace overseas). During Bush's terms, I felt obliged to apologize for Bush. Now, I expect people will be excited about Obama, and will congratulate me.

The fact that you wingnuts are in a full-court PR press to try and convince yourselves that President Obama isn't really as good as he is changes nothing.
I went to Canada a month ago (BC) for two days. The hotel bar topic was politics. The Canadians I spoke to think Obama is weak. They didn't agree with everything Bush had done, but they respected his resolve. They also warned me of the dangers of "socialism-light"; they pay enormous taxes.

I realize this is not "overseas", but Canada is our closest ally. In fairness, the people I meet are other businessmen, and they are likely more conservative than your average Canadian. The key point is that many people, in many countries, recognize Obama's weakness: he is a sissy boy pu**sy. No resolve. He campaigned for "Change". He campaigned for transparency. In the first 100 days we have not seen that. I can respect anybody that takes a position and lives by it, even if I don't agree with it. Obama is all over the board. He is a puppet. He puts his wet finger up to see which way the wind is blowing and adjusts the rhetoric accordingly.

A leader's job is not to be popular. His job is to lead. Sounds simple enough. Good leaders are respected, but not always liked. A good leader is respected by, and respects everybody under, his command. A good leader surrounds himself by the best and the brightest. Based on a few of the gaffes we have seen so far, it is amateur hour at the White House.

Obama cannot fathom that somebody might not like him. His personality is such that he requires attention and adulation. He is a self-admitted narcissist. In the military, we would refer to that as a fatal character flaw - a major weakness. He might make Captain. Maybe Major. That would be it. His lack of resolve would be perceived as a weakness. In Obama's case, we already see evidence of such. He has backtracked on several key campaign promises. Presumably he was not lying when he made them. More likely he was subsequently swayed by political pressure (peer pressure) to change course. This is clear evidence of weakness; he was afraid to make the hard choice as he promised, and instead caved to the party status-quo.

If he kept his major promises, I could at least respect he was true to his convictions. I would have no issue with line-by-line review of every spending Bill. I have no issue with limiting lobbyists on the Hill. I have no issue with more transparency. I am a privacy advocate. My take is that Obama is under considerable influence from major internal political forces. He gives a little here and there, and rationalizes it to himself that he is still the same person. Yet the more he gives, the more they will demand. They smell his weakness; they will own him in six months.

In a year he will wake up and read the NY Times (already starting to turn against him) and realize his mistake. By then it will be too late. Washington will have swallowed him like many others.

ps, It is possible that I misunderstood some of their comments up in BC as I technically don't speak "Canadian", which I'm sure is their official language by Obama standards.
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Old 04-07-2009, 08:20 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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I went to Canada a month ago (BC) for two days. The hotel bar topic was politics. The Canadians I spoke to think Obama is weak. They didn't agree with everything Bush had done, but they respected his resolve. They also warned me of the dangers of "socialism-light"; they pay enormous taxes.

I realize this is not "overseas", but Canada is our closest ally. In fairness, the people I meet are other businessmen, and they are likely more conservative than your average Canadian. The key point is that many people, in many countries, recognize Obama's weakness: he is a sissy boy pu**sy. No resolve. He campaigned for "Change". He campaigned for transparency. In the first 100 days we have not seen that. I can respect anybody that takes a position and lives by it, even if I don't agree with it. Obama is all over the board. He is a puppet. He puts his wet finger up to see which way the wind is blowing and adjusts the rhetoric accordingly.

A leader's job is not to be popular. His job is to lead. Sounds simple enough. Good leaders are respected, but not always liked. A good leader is respected by, and respects everybody under, his command. A good leader surrounds himself by the best and the brightest. Based on a few of the gaffes we have seen so far, it is amateur hour at the White House.

Obama cannot fathom that somebody might not like him. His personality is such that he requires attention and adulation. He is a self-admitted narcissist. In the military, we would refer to that as a fatal character flaw - a major weakness. He might make Captain. Maybe Major. That would be it. His lack of resolve would be perceived as a weakness. In Obama's case, we already see evidence of such. He has backtracked on several key campaign promises. Presumably he was not lying when he made them. More likely he was subsequently swayed by political pressure (peer pressure) to change course. This is clear evidence of weakness; he was afraid to make the hard choice as he promised, and instead caved to the party status-quo.

If he kept his major promises, I could at least respect he was true to his convictions. I would have no issue with line-by-line review of every spending Bill. I have no issue with limiting lobbyists on the Hill. I have no issue with more transparency. I am a privacy advocate. My take is that Obama is under considerable influence from major internal political forces. He gives a little here and there, and rationalizes it to himself that he is still the same person. Yet the more he gives, the more they will demand. They smell his weakness; they will own him in six months.

In a year he will wake up and read the NY Times (already starting to turn against him) and realize his mistake. By then it will be too late. Washington will have swallowed him like many others.

ps, It is possible that I misunderstood some of their comments up in BC as I technically don't speak "Canadian", which I'm sure is their official language by Obama standards.
I speak Canadian, English, Australian, New Zealand, and South African
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Old 04-07-2009, 09:02 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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I went to Canada a month ago (BC) for two days. The hotel bar topic was politics. The Canadians I spoke to think Obama is weak. They didn't agree with everything Bush had done, but they respected his resolve. They also warned me of the dangers of "socialism-light"; they pay enormous taxes.

I realize this is not "overseas", but Canada is our closest ally. In fairness, the people I meet are other businessmen, and they are likely more conservative than your average Canadian. The key point is that many people, in many countries, recognize Obama's weakness: he is a sissy boy pu**sy. No resolve. He campaigned for "Change". He campaigned for transparency. In the first 100 days we have not seen that. I can respect anybody that takes a position and lives by it, even if I don't agree with it. Obama is all over the board. He is a puppet. He puts his wet finger up to see which way the wind is blowing and adjusts the rhetoric accordingly.

A leader's job is not to be popular. His job is to lead. Sounds simple enough. Good leaders are respected, but not always liked. A good leader is respected by, and respects everybody under, his command. A good leader surrounds himself by the best and the brightest. Based on a few of the gaffes we have seen so far, it is amateur hour at the White House.

Obama cannot fathom that somebody might not like him. His personality is such that he requires attention and adulation. He is a self-admitted narcissist. In the military, we would refer to that as a fatal character flaw - a major weakness. He might make Captain. Maybe Major. That would be it. His lack of resolve would be perceived as a weakness. In Obama's case, we already see evidence of such. He has backtracked on several key campaign promises. Presumably he was not lying when he made them. More likely he was subsequently swayed by political pressure (peer pressure) to change course. This is clear evidence of weakness; he was afraid to make the hard choice as he promised, and instead caved to the party status-quo.

If he kept his major promises, I could at least respect he was true to his convictions. I would have no issue with line-by-line review of every spending Bill. I have no issue with limiting lobbyists on the Hill. I have no issue with more transparency. I am a privacy advocate. My take is that Obama is under considerable influence from major internal political forces. He gives a little here and there, and rationalizes it to himself that he is still the same person. Yet the more he gives, the more they will demand. They smell his weakness; they will own him in six months.

In a year he will wake up and read the NY Times (already starting to turn against him) and realize his mistake. By then it will be too late. Washington will have swallowed him like many others.

ps, It is possible that I misunderstood some of their comments up in BC as I technically don't speak "Canadian", which I'm sure is their official language by Obama standards.
1. What does this conversation in a bar prove about anything?

2. The Canadians don't like us very much. They didn't like Bush. When he was pres. they criticized him. They didn't like Clinton, ditto. I have been in Canada and read the newspapers when they were the presidents.

3. Since I can't watch videos on my computer, can someone tell me exactly what Obama said?
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Old 04-07-2009, 09:05 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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One good thing about this is according to the Obama supporters,we all speak several languages...English,American,Canadian,Australian,N ew Zealand(ish/er)...

Good to know.
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Old 04-07-2009, 09:06 AM
 
Location: East Chicago, IN
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So they hated Bush for being too much of a hawk, and now they hate Obama for being too much of a dove. I think the rest of the world just hates us, period.
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Old 04-07-2009, 09:45 AM
 
Location: deafened by howls of 'racism!!!'
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Obama: I'm trying to learn Austrian Arnold.

Arnold:

Obama: What? Did I say something wrong?



~snickers in the background~
now that was some funny stuff
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Old 04-07-2009, 10:03 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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You're wrong. I've read dozens of her posts. I've read hundreds of her comments. I've seen her 'logic' since before the election. I've seen her intense focus on trivia since the election. President Obama is much, much smarter.
Oh, you've met the President? That must have been exciting.

Sorry, but it doesn't matter if you've read every single comment sanrene has posted here - you don't know them, just like you don't know me or anyone else here. Postings on one anonymous Internet forum will not give you a complete picture of an individual, no matter how much you think it does.

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And I don't worship Obama.
Let's see... If I use your own logic in making a determination about you based purely on what you've posted in this forum, then the evidence is crystal clear - you absolutely do worship Obama.

So are you still going to maintain that you can learn everything you need to in order to make a determination about what someone thinks, based on what you read here?

Anyway, back to the topic...

The fact that this thread is even still going only reinforces what I said earlier about Obama supporters needing to defend stupid stuff like this - instead of blowing it off, like they should have - because they're not as sure of their support as they'd like us to believe.
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Old 04-07-2009, 10:44 AM
 
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Soon the states will have their own languages too, North Carolinian, Virginian, Georgian, Floridian, New Yorkian , Californian... Diversity baby
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Old 04-07-2009, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Soon the states will have their own languages too, North Carolinian, Virginian, Georgian, Floridian, New Yorkian , Californian... Diversity baby
Can you fault "tolerant" liberals for interpreting Austrian as a language after referring to ebonics as a dialect?
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Old 04-07-2009, 11:01 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Well...as an Australian we speak English.
Onya!

(Just throwing a bit of "Australian", I'm sure you won't have trouble understanding the common phrase, since it is English)

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These nerds are "advanced" and "in touch"?
Compared to the drongos, yes!

(I hope you won't have to ask your "Ozzie" professors about what drongo means in English, because it is English... and don't look it up either, you should know).
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