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Old 04-24-2009, 06:37 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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I'm not understanding this thread.
That's because the OP doesn't contain a sentence that can possibly adhere to the brain of a living organism. Its author actually thinks John McCain was tortured by "terrorists" (!), and apparently doesn't know McCain is 100% against his goofy little rationalizations.
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Old 04-24-2009, 06:38 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Of course, no one really addresses the concept of "blowback" caused by occupations and news of torture. No matter how classified a report is stated, word eventually leaks out.

So, the absurd hypothetical situation of "we may have saved 1,000 lives by waterboarding" (not provable btw) can be equally argued with "we may have lost 2,000 lives because of a new attack from a terrorist who switched to the dark side because his brother was tortured"
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Old 04-24-2009, 06:40 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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So, the absurd hypothetical situation of "we may have saved 1,000 lives by waterboarding" (not provable btw) can be equally argued with "we may have lost 2,000 lives because of a new attack from a terrorist who switched to the dark side because his brother was tortured"
Good point. Except that if that's his motivation, I'm not sure in what sense he can be classified as "on the dark side", at least any more than we can.
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Old 04-24-2009, 06:41 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Furthermore, if neo-cons keep along this path of insanity in thinking that waterboarding is a-ok, they will notice Republicans consistently losing future elections because the paleo-conservatives and classical liberals like us will always vote "none of the above" or third party, and there are more than enough of us to "spoil" elections.
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Old 04-24-2009, 06:41 PM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone for agreeing so adamantly with the libs on this one.

Christopher Hitchens used to think waterboarding was ok. Then, he experienced it. Immediately afterwards, he re-evaluated his position. 4 JAGs wrote a report that directly stated: "Waterboarding is inhumane, it is torture, and it is illegal."

Original report found at:

http://static.crooksandliars.com/fil...jag_letter.pdf

Until someone can cite some credible information that counters this evidence from a NON-BIASED report (it can be from a left/right wing blog but the report must be verified as legitimate), it is merely your non-expert opinion and no judge would ever listen to it in a court of law.

yeah, what should be done is line 5 terrorists against the wall and start shooting the terrorists 1 by 1 until they start to talk.

sooner or later 1 will talk.
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Old 04-24-2009, 06:43 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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yeah, what should be done is line 5 terrorists against the wall and start shooting the terrorists 1 by 1 until they start to talk.

sooner or later 1 will talk.
That's fine on the battlefield IMO if the soldiers know of an imminent threat.

However, I would not classify this as effective "off the cuff" considering you'd make his/her day if you shot them dead, considering where they think they're going.

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Old 04-24-2009, 06:45 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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As Abu Grahab demonstrated what Captain Picard said 15 years ago.

"Torture is ultimately self-defeating as a means of control"

Armchair Generals who think they know what they're talking about will tell you differently.


YouTube - Star Trek Captain Picard Weighs In On Torture ( SHORT )
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Old 04-24-2009, 06:50 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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However, I'm not a saint. This is a more acceptable means of interrogation and can be altered to fit the terrorist profile. The Stasi, even though they were b---tard commies, were some of the most professional interrogators in the world and their former agents could teach our boys a thing or two.


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Old 04-24-2009, 06:57 PM
 
Location: Kentucky/ Displaced Texan
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It's been shown that torture not the best way to get facts to of some one, more than likely they will what you want to hear to get you to stop. We can't also go lining up people and shooting them because we capture them. I say this as an Army Vet, if we stoop to their level we become them. We need to interrogate pow's so we get intel that is correct rather than a lie, which could further jeopardize American lives.
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Old 04-24-2009, 06:59 PM
 
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Is somebody letting their kid use the computer unauthorized?
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