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The most important right the Straight male community lost was the right to beat on gays when ever they felt like it without any fear of legal reprisal. This is one of the rights the Tea Bag protesters are trying to restore. The right to have a defined part of the community that are not protected by law. Sounds like Schoolyard Bullies United. They would really like to see women included with the gays. They cannot imagine it would ever be illegal to beat your wife or girlfriend.
There are two types of marriage. One is the religious marriage where the community recognized this arrangement as a Holy bond as certified by a religious authority (priest, preacher, whatever). This is entirely within the realm of the churches. The other type of marriage is the secular marriage certified in writing by a secular official. This is in the realm of secular government.
The church cannot determine what constitutes a secular marriage and the government cannot determine what constitutes a religious marriage. Thus a marriage between two people of the same sex would not be possible or recognized by some religions but, where recognized by secular law, can be recognized by the government as valid with all the rights, benefits and duties spelled out by the secular law.
I do not believe the church, no matter how annoyed the are by this religious blasphemy, cannot, as they are excluded from secular affairs, have any say over the secular legality of a gay marriage. The church does not have to recognize a gay marriage but they cannot make it illegal. Conversely the state cannot force a church to recognize a gay marriage as a religious act.
This is why we separate the church from the state. The first cares for your soul and the second everything else. I like this way of doing things because it maximizes the freedom of the individual from the repression of religious dogma.
The most important right the Straight male community lost was the right to beat on gays when ever they felt like it without any fear of legal reprisal. This is one of the rights the Tea Bag protesters are trying to restore. The right to have a defined part of the community that are not protected by law. Sounds like Schoolyard Bullies United. They would really like to see women included with the gays. They cannot imagine it would ever be illegal to beat your wife or girlfriend.
Thank you for eliminating any lingering doubts I had about your vast intellectual capacity and superior psychological comprehension.
I don't mean to be rude, but its because straight is normal..
Honestly, we hardly hear about gays in our history, when did people start becoming gay? and answering my other questions, as to,
"Why we have to make a special law for gay marriage?"
All our other rights are "basic un-deniable rights"
Because its un-natural??
It's natural to me and a ton of other gay people in the world. It occurs naturally in the animal universe. There have always been gay people in the world. Sadly, many have been repressed or hidden because of the blatant hate/discrimination/violence that is out there. The fundamentalist are the main problem as they enjoy the power and control from holding down a sub-segment of society. They conveniently ignore bible passages and pick/choose what they want to condemn or follow. They would be the first to look at female pornography with anal sex too. Or have oral sex. Or have sex for enjoyment instead of procreation.......
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Even in the states that do allow same-sex marriages, most of the benefits of marriage do not apply, because the Defense of Marriage Act states that the federal government only recognizes marriage as "a legal union of one man and one woman as husband and wife".
I'm sure if you want a list of all 1138 state and federal rights, you can Google that yourself.
Oh, and Frieda Kahlo was bisexual.
Most, if not all of those in your list do not apply because most states do not recognize the marriage of two men, or two women. Others do not apply because in gay relationships where an egg or sperm is donated, the children are not related to both partners. In a court battle over custody, if the child is only of genetic relation to one partner, the other partner has no rights to that child, its the same in traditional marriages.
Some of those in your list could be remedied by amending certain laws, like hospital visitation, wills, and probate.
Some of those in your list could be remedied by amending certain laws, like hospital visitation, wills, and probate.
And do we see you lining up to support the amendment of all these laws, including federal recognition for immigration, tax, and Social Security purposes?
Most, if not all of those in your list do not apply because most states do not recognize the marriage of two men, or two women. Others do not apply because in gay relationships where an egg or sperm is donated, the children are not related to both partners. In a court battle over custody, if the child is only of genetic relation to one partner, the other partner has no rights to that child, its the same in traditional marriages.
Some of those in your list could be remedied by amending certain laws, like hospital visitation, wills, and probate.
Hello!!!??!!!! That's my point....because of DOMA, we are not afforded the same federal and state rights as heteros. While most states do allow single GLBT adoptions, most do not allow couples to adopt or even act as foster parents. I cannot marry my girlfriend and adopt her child. But if I married my "boyfriend", I could adopt his child.
I guess you will never understand since you will never be denied these rights, or know the discrimination.
Heterosexuals have the right to call their Unions "marriage"!
As in... Do you take this woman to be your lawfully wedded wife?...
Where homosexuals have the right to call their Unions "sodomy"!
As in...
Married people can engage in "sodomy" but Sodomites can't engage in "marriage"!
And that's the way the cookie crumbles.....
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I think of this as the Neanderthal point of view on this subject.
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The most important right the Straight male community lost was the right to beat on gays when ever they felt like it without any fear of legal reprisal. This is one of the rights the Tea Bag protesters are trying to restore. The right to have a defined part of the community that are not protected by law. Sounds like Schoolyard Bullies United. They would really like to see women included with the gays. They cannot imagine it would ever be illegal to beat your wife or girlfriend.
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Originally Posted by R.J. MacReady
It's natural to me and a ton of other gay people in the world. It occurs naturally in the animal universe. There have always been gay people in the world. Sadly, many have been repressed or hidden because of the blatant hate/discrimination/violence that is out there. The fundamentalist are the main problem as they enjoy the power and control from holding down a sub-segment of society. They conveniently ignore bible passages and pick/choose what they want to condemn or follow. They would be the first to look at female pornography with anal sex too. Or have oral sex. Or have sex for enjoyment instead of procreation.......
Leviticus 18:22 is what everyone's been hearing, but the "Sodom and Gamorrah (spelling error??) story tells us it is a sin.
Just whichever one is which, Sodomy was homosexuals and Gamorrah masterbation, maybe vice versa?)
God destoryed the cities because it was wrong and a man couldn't convince them otherwise.
GregW, they're trying to restore the beatings of homosexuals and women? really? I hadn't heard that one, but a fun fact: Rule of thumb is the law that says you cannot beat your wife with anything wider than your thumb w/o her permission, moving on...
How do we know that it is natural, except for the opinion of the homosexual person? I'm not saying it's not natural, I'm just saying our anatomy, genetics, way of reproduction, shows me personally, that being homosexual is not part of our being...
I agree Bible passages are taken out of context, but what does pornography have to do with it?
The most important right the Straight male community lost was the right to beat on gays when ever they felt like it without any fear of legal reprisal. This is one of the rights the Tea Bag protesters are trying to restore. The right to have a defined part of the community that are not protected by law. Sounds like Schoolyard Bullies United. They would really like to see women included with the gays. They cannot imagine it would ever be illegal to beat your wife or girlfriend.
Interesting, you use generalizations and bigoted demeanor to accuse a group of being bigoted and generalizing.
I grew up in a society where some of the teens I was in school with would set up "gay bashing parties" and go hunting. The local cops did nothing about it. I experienced gay bashing even though I am not attracted to men.
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