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Yeah.. Texas Rob.. and where are the ACTUAL NUMBERS to back THAT statement up..
Guess what.. there aren't? Because it's absolutely absured. Are there some that chose not to have insurance when they could afford it.. Im' sure there are..
but most just flat out can't afford it!
think that it's becaues they are "young" and don't need it.. well the age groups with the most uninsured are actually over 30..hardly the "we are invincible" age group.. I've posted the stats before and they are all rigth there in the census burea information..
it's what the right wing tells everyone to try and excuse away the actual problems.. yet not ONE PERSON in any debate I have had about that issue has actual posted numbers to PROVE what they say.. and have only pointed to OPINION articles that states an OPINION without FACTUAL NUMBERS to back up that statement..like the one you made.
Here is the thing though...after that speel. You have yet to explain just how and why "health care" is a "natural right".
Smoking is not a natural right either. I grant that. The difference though is that if one chooses to smoke, I don't know that anyone is putting forth the proposition that others are obligated to pay for the habit. A case very much different from the whole concept of guaranteed medical care. Which is what this whole "rights" concept revolves around. Just who and why should others pay for poor life choices?
Which really, as had been pointed out, basic medical care is guaranteed in this country anyway.
Here is something else. Why is it a "problem? Because you define it as such? The biggest "problem" as concerns high medical costs is government programs, lawsuits, and illegals swamping the system...which guarantees they will remain astronomical. But of course, the "solution" to the problem, is always more of the same medicine (pun intended).
Thomas Sowell is the best on all this (even though you might not like it):
We recently worked with a woman who was admitted to the Cancer Centers of America - a very good cancer treatment facility - and she has no insurance, very little money - and they are treating her like a queen - and doing everything possible to treat her cancer.
I agree that occasional indiviual patients can get help like that, but many more don't get the care they need. Someone has to take an interest in the patient and work on their behalf. A lot of people don't even know where to start with that.
Here is the thing though...after that speel. You have yet to explain just how and why "health care" is a "natural right".
Smoking is not a natural right either. I grant that. The difference though is that if one chooses to smoke, I don't know that anyone is putting forth the proposition that others are obligated to pay for the habit. A case very much different from the whole concept of guaranteed medical care. Which is what this whole "rights" concept revolves around. Just who and why should others pay for poor life choices?
Which really, as had been pointed out, basic medical care is guaranteed in this country anyway.
Basic carevis then a right bit what about ongoing care for those that needit? Or what about longer morse than basic cancer treatments. Life is what u were born with given by god as is the ability to sustain our lives through medicine? So does the lupus patient deserve to die from an otherwise manageable disease because she or he was denied med insurance bit on her own vann not afford the mess. Do then only the wealthy deserve to live because that is basically what I'd boils down to. The right to live is why we provide care in Ers . But just because we do that does not mean that people aren't dying from lack of access to mess. I think the families of those who have died from lack of access would disagree with you
Basic carevis then a right bit what about ongoing care for those that needit? Or what about longer morse than basic cancer treatments. Life is what u were born with given by god as is the ability to sustain our lives through medicine? So does the lupus patient deserve to die from an otherwise manageable disease because she or he was denied med insurance bit on her own vann not afford the mess. Do then only the wealthy deserve to live because that is basically what I'd boils down to. The right to live is why we provide care in Ers . But just because we do that does not mean that people aren't dying from lack of access to mess. I think the families of those who have died from lack of access would disagree with you
TM -- the above needs some SERIOUS editing / spell checking
Basic carevis then a right bit what about ongoing care for those that needit? Or what about longer morse than basic cancer treatments. Life is what u were born with given by god as is the ability to sustain our lives through medicine? So does the lupus patient deserve to die from an otherwise manageable disease because she or he was denied med insurance bit on her own vann not afford the mess. Do then only the wealthy deserve to live because that is basically what I'd boils down to. The right to live is why we provide care in Ers . But just because we do that does not mean that people aren't dying from lack of access to mess. I think the families of those who have died from lack of access would disagree with you
Basic carevis then a right bit what about ongoing care for those that needit? Or what about longer morse than basic cancer treatments. Life is what u were born with given by god as is the ability to sustain our lives through medicine? So does the lupus patient deserve to die from an otherwise manageable disease because she or he was denied med insurance bit on her own vann not afford the mess. Do then only the wealthy deserve to live because that is basically what I'd boils down to. The right to live is why we provide care in Ers . But just because we do that does not mean that people aren't dying from lack of access to mess. I think the families of those who have died from lack of access would disagree with you
No one wants anybody to die...but everyone dies. There is no getting around it. So just how does a "right to live" exist? This makes less sense than a right to universal health care exists.
And BTW -- name those who have died for lack of medical care?
Some of us just accept certain things as a matter of trade-offs. Which is that in a free-market medical care system, then yes, those who have made wise decisions to prepare for possibilities will naturally get better care. The alternative is socialized medicine where all die equally sans any care nor compassion at all...and to boot? Get no treatment at all. Numbers on a chart somewhere....
1. The US does'nt spend a larger percentage of its GDP then almost every other Western country on Health Care and still get poorer results.
2. People in other countries who save, live prudently and do the right thing can be bankrupted and ruined when they face a catastrophic illness or medical bill just like americans can.
No one wants anybody to die...but everyone dies. There is no getting around it. So just how does a "right to live" exist? This makes less sense than a right to universal health care exists.
And BTW -- name those who have died for lack of medical care?
Some of us just accept certain things as a matter of trade-offs. Which is that in a free-market medical care system, then yes, those who have made wise decisions to prepare for possibilities will naturally get better care. The alternative is socialized medicine where all die equally sans any care nor compassion at all...and to boot? Get no treatment at all. Numbers on a chart somewhere....
There aer many.. but I can name one. Go to PBS website and watch Sick Around America.. then come back and tell me that people do not die because of lack of access to affordable healthcare.
And.. people skip meds, skimp on their meds becaue they are uninsured and can't afford their meds.. don't think that is killign them. I'm a diabetic.. I know.
Wise decisions.. you honestly think that access to medical care comes down to wise decisions in this country..LOL.. that's a hoot. Considering that many who have made "wise decisinos" still end up declaring bankruptcy and losing it all because of medical bills.
It shows you truly do not understand nor comprehend what the problems with the system are And so it's pointless even debating it with you if you thinkn it all comes down to someone maker smarter choices over another...
It's funny.. you think you made so many smart choices.. well..watch out.. Karma is a ***** you know.. just when you think you have been so smart and so responsible YOU could very easily end up on the other side of the argument scrathing your head.. life has a way of doing that to you.. and especially when coupled with a messed up system of healthcare like we have in the U.S.
1. The US does'nt spend a larger percentage of its GDP then almost every other Western country on Health Care and still get poorer results.
2. People in other countries who save, live prudently and do the right thing can be bankrupted and ruined when they face a catastrophic illness or medical bill just like americans can.
5. Their are'nt other models for UHC then Canada's or the UK's
6. Crying "socailism" is a real position in this debate that will actually win votes or be taken seriously.
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And so it's pointless even debating it with you if you thinkn it all comes down to someone maker smarter choices over another...
