9/11 controversy--do we know everything? (gallon, middle east, regular, myths)
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I used to pooh pooh any conspiracy related to 9/11.
Now looking backwards and seeing how this incident was used as an excuse to start wars, grow the state and violate civil liberties, you have to wonder.
One thing is for sure, we can never count on the powers that be to tell us the whole story.
NONE of the people on that site worked at the WTC before the collapses, worked at the site or Fresh Kills on the recovery, or participated in the engineering analysis afterward. Many more engineers than those 1500 agree with the collapse analysis, including the ones who DID work at the WTC, were at or inside the WTC on 9/11 when the attacks occurred, worked at the site afterward, and reviewed the NIST report while it was in the draft stage. Engineering seminars and conferences have focused on the collapse all over the country and the world. Try talking to engineers who actually were present at the WTC that day or participated in the studies and the analysis. Why would they believe a group with YouTube videos and an architect who demonstrates the collapse of a complicated structure like the WTC with cardboard boxes over what they know?
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Originally Posted by modeerf
Why did building 7 free fall in 6 seconds, without any plane hitting it?
Do you know what was kept in building 7?
You can read NCSTAR1A just as easily as anyone else.
Everything was "carted" off to the Fresh Kills landfill in Staten Island, by truck and by barge, where the sifting operations took place and the steel was separated for analysis. Were you asleep when all this was going on and covered daily in the media? Why do you think they should have just left it there at the WTC site in the tight confines of lower Manhattan and not removed it? There were human remains to recover, a smoking fire that burned for over three months that they had to get down to and put out, and steel that had to be analyzed to determine the collapse sequence. And the residents in the area needed to be able to move back into their homes. Of course, if you are one of those people who steadfastly believes that the federal government did all this work in a vacuum, you aren't going to be interested the actual story. But, for those who are:
No I am not suggesting they should have left it. I didn't say that nor did I say I was asleep. I was referring to the fairly quick hauling off, restriction and overseas recycling of this metal and the fact that more open thorough investigations and analysis weren't allowed.
Obviously, many in the US alone would be concerned. I am also very curious why smoking fires supposedly burned for months, but of the things floating around much of it was paper.
But unless you are a structural engineer, intimately familiar with every square inch of the blue prints and structural design of the world trade center, then you don't know a damned thing.
To date, not one of those has ever posted a response on this forum. Just a bunch of loons who don't know anything about the world trade center, except by what they've been told by people who don't know anything about the world trade center.
Which is why the growing number of professional engineers who doubt the official story should be accredited. Architects and engineers for 911 truth...
Well since everything was carted off and a real investigation not done not much point in discussing. Although according to documentaries I saw engineers did build twin towers with such things in mind. Kerosene hasn't been shown to melt metal like that. The whole volume of all the buildings seem to disappear and fall faster than just an explosion would produce. Plus building 7 never had a plane even fly into it. So I don't think many people actually believe the official story.
the problem is that site is just one big Appeal to Authority and Appeal to FALSE authority.
If you dig through it you'll find that only a handful of those "architects and engineers" are actively licensed in the fields of studies to undsertand the collapse of the WTC buildings.
The rest?
Software engineer
Sanitation engineer
College student
Yeah, what does a janitor have to do with structural engineering?
NONE of the people on that site worked at the WTC before the collapses, worked at the site or Fresh Kills on the recovery, or participated in the engineering analysis afterward. Many more engineers than those 1500 agree with the collapse analysis, including the ones who DID work at the WTC, were at or inside the WTC on 9/11 when the attacks occurred, worked at the site afterward, and reviewed the NIST report while it was in the draft stage. Engineering seminars and conferences have focused on the collapse all over the country and the world. Try talking to engineers who actually were present at the WTC that day or participated in the studies and the analysis. Why would they believe a group with YouTube videos and an architect who demonstrates the collapse of a complicated structure like the WTC with cardboard boxes over what they know?
You can read NCSTAR1A just as easily as anyone else.
People at the site, and victims of the attack and demolition testify that explosions in the basement preceded the collapse.
Building 7 collapsed 7 hrs after....hmmm. Never happened to a highrise fire in history. Except for this one.
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