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I have lived under Socialized healthcare! Until you have experienced it, you do NOT know how it will be. It is just horrible. In Canada, waiting room times are at about 6 hours.
Socialized healthcare is absolutely horrible, and our great system of healthcare in the US is one of the reasons why doctors come to the US from around the world.
Did you know in Canada there is a MASSIVE nurse shortage? You know why? 1) The government is so overburdened by health costs that it can not afford to pay nurses well. 2) Nurses go to the US, where they can be part of the best healthcare system in the world.
The same goes for doctors. Canada is unable to recruit top specialists, while the US is, because of our private health system.
These people who post about socialized healthcare, and have never even experienced it are starting to really get on my nerves. Stop listening to third and fourth party sources, and actually ask Canadians how they like their healthcare. Odds are, if they aren't on welfare, they hate it!
Your quote makes my point. In our system of health care, hospitals buy equipment and order tests to do three things 1. Care for the patient 2. Make a profit off of the tests and 3. Avoid liability for malpractice.
Our system encourages more tests, which in many cases are not needed. In the Universal system you don't order tests that you don't need because you don't have to worry about number 2 and number 3 above.
You are lucky that your insurance paid for it. Do you know what you would have had to pay if the insurance did not pay for it or if you did not have insurance?
Don't give up on Univeral Health Coverage. Now is the time to push your congressman or woman into action.
Nothing like lobbying to give up a little more of your liberties ay...
Some of you people won't be happy until the Gov knows what color your crap is, when you took it and how many pieces it broke into when it hit the water... THEN being taxed on it per piece !
The fact is if you limit what a person could make in a particular profession the best and brightest will chose another profession where their earning potential is unlimited. For example suppose teachers pay was unlimited do you think the caliber of people entering that profession would increase or decrease (before teacher advocates chime in I think our teachers are just fine, this is for illustrative purposes)? Do you think the competition would be keen?
Do you know what a huge boon to small business would be? Cut taxes!
That is a good argument and one that I have heard before. The presumption being that if there is not unlimited pay then people - the best will not want to do it. The facts are that Doctors that are practicing are actually not the brightest in their field. Research scientist are actually brighter, based on test scores, but they get paid far less money. I am not advancing the proposition that we lower our standards as to what is required to become a doctor. Under the European system the doctors make a very good living and I have read that they have a much better quality of life. Doctors here are paid in large part by the number and type of procedures that they perform, and then they have to haggle with the insurance companies.
I am fairly well versed on employment opportunities. How many jobs are really out there that you are guaranteed to get paid 200K a year, no student loans, job security, not production related. Wall street...maybe you should talk to the wall street executives who just got let go. The person that you would get is someone just as bright as you have now, who wants to earn a good living, but primarily wants to help people and not have to deal with how many patients he treated and what type of procedure is going to be covered by the insurance plan. Is that not a better person to have as a Dr.?
The article cites poll results regarding american's opinions on healthcare reform. The article does nothing to discuss the pros and cons of Universal healthcare. My thread was more directed to the benefits of Universal Health Care. There is no surprise regarding the polls since the big four pay so much for lobbying and infomercials.
I have lived under Socialized healthcare! Until you have experienced it, you do NOT know how it will be. It is just horrible. In Canada, waiting room times are at about 6 hours.
Socialized healthcare is absolutely horrible, and our great system of healthcare in the US is one of the reasons why doctors come to the US from around the world.
Did you know in Canada there is a MASSIVE nurse shortage? You know why? 1) The government is so overburdened by health costs that it can not afford to pay nurses well. 2) Nurses go to the US, where they can be part of the best healthcare system in the world.
The same goes for doctors. Canada is unable to recruit top specialists, while the US is, because of our private health system.
These people who post about socialized healthcare, and have never even experienced it are starting to really get on my nerves. Stop listening to third and fourth party sources, and actually ask Canadians how they like their healthcare. Odds are, if they aren't on welfare, they hate it!
I am assuming that you still live in Canada???
Just an FYI there is a massive nurse shortage in the U.S. as well and if the U.S. had Univeral coverage then presumably Canandian nurses would not be coming to the U.S. I guess it would help Canada out as well.
6 hour waits in the U.S. are not uncommon. The only difference is that we have to pay for them.
The U.S. has a shortage of Doctors as well, although it is not because we don't pay them enough is that we have cut the amount of doctors that we graduate each year to increase the supply of doctors to artificially increase their pay.
I keep hearing best healthcare system in the world. Is it? That is not what I read and the statics don't substantiate that. What facts do you have that would make us the best in the world. Cost...no. Life expectancy....no, access to healthcare...no, What?
Nothing like lobbying to give up a little more of your liberties ay...
Some of you people won't be happy until the Gov knows what color your crap is, when you took it and how many pieces it broke into when it hit the water... THEN being taxed on it per piece !
Yes, I have relatives that are doctors and they all think Universal Health Care sucks. One of my relatives who is radiologist in a small town in South Carolina brings in almost 900K a year. While it is true that most family Doctors don't make that, specialist bring home big cash. Under a Universal Plan Doctors would not make the kind of money that they are making now. Based on pay for Doctors in the UK they would be making around 200K.
Of course the argument will be that if they don't get paid big money then people will leave or choose other professions, which is why we must have so many european doctors in the U.S., wait...we actually don't! Under the Universal Plan Doctors would get paid less, but they would not have to pay for their medical education or have to pay for medical liability insurance. The big reason that the big four do not want it.... probably your friends in the Dr. community as well is cash....greed, plain and simple.
Please send more replys. I don't take it personal. I am just trying to get people to look at the facts.
One of the biggest drains on the economy is health costs. Just imagine what a big boost it would be to U.S. companies, especially small business if they were not saddled with the huge cost of providing health care coverage.
While I agree that our current health care system is a bit of a mess, I don't view "the solution" as much of an improvement.
I rather see alternative plans offered, such as a minimal cost insurance plan that pays catastrophic coverage. By this I mean a plan in which you pay something like the first $3,000 of annual medical expenses yourself, then 20% of the next $10,000, and then it would kick in with 100% coverage.
This would cost a lot less than current coverage, yet would help prevent financial problems from health related issues. It would also discourage patient abuse of the system, due to the high out of pocket initial cost.
Don't accept anything less than Universal single payer insurance. This is the plan that has worked in Europe
Basically I'll support healthcare reforms that have been approved by accountants. They can highlight problems with the numbers for potential reforms. Also not all European coountries have single payer. Many European countries have multi-payer systems. So a single payer system isn't the only possible solution for America.
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