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Old 09-17-2009, 10:15 PM
 
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I am amazed that you didn't know that the government destroyed the "breadbasket" of America to save the delta smelt.
I am amazed that you are so blinded by your partisan hatred that you are willing to remain ecologically ignorant about the more complex causes for this situation.

Here's why the delta smelt is important to the long-term viability of the region:

http://www.californiaprogressreport.com/2007/09/a_tiny_californ.html (broken link)
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Old 09-17-2009, 10:29 PM
 
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I am amazed that you are so blinded by your partisan hatred that you are willing to remain ecologically ignorant about the more complex causes for this situation.

Here's why the delta smelt is important to the long-term viability of the region:

A Tiny California Fish That Makes a Big Difference - California Progress Report (http://www.californiaprogressreport.com/2007/09/a_tiny_californ.html - broken link)
There is no hate in my heart. Please stop projecting your own hate. No delta smelt is worth making families go hungry. Not now, not ever.
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Old 09-17-2009, 10:31 PM
 
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There is no hate in my heart. Please stop projecting your own hate. No delta smelt is worth making families go hungry. Not now, not ever.
Well, when the entire ecosystem collapses, we'll see how many families go hungry. Forever. Perhaps that will make you feel better.
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Old 09-17-2009, 10:33 PM
 
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Well, when the entire ecosystem collapses, we'll see how many families go hungry. Forever. Perhaps that will make you feel better.
I don't buy into your "chicken little" theory.
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Old 09-17-2009, 10:43 PM
 
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I don't buy into your "chicken little" theory.
That's because you haven't bothered to educate yourself on the realities of ecology. It's easy not to "buy into" something when you willfully blind yourself.
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Old 09-17-2009, 10:46 PM
 
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I generalize because it's an internet forum and not a classroom. I'm not worried about "cornering" myself. If you don't think climate change is man-caused, then you are misinformed. It's that simple. Do you seriously think that every major scientific institution on the planet, as well as the Pentagon, is somehow misinformed, but you--for some reason--have the truth? Anthropogenic climate change has never before happened. The fact that climate change is a "natural occurrence" has nothing to do with the fact that anthropogenic climate change is of a completely different, non-evolutionary order, and that quite a bit--in fact--can be done about it. But not if people continue to deny it's reality. And an ecosystems actually CAN "crash" if a significant member of its community is wiped out. Species do go extinct all the time, but never have they gone extinct at the rate of (best scientific guess) 100 species PER DAY. The fact that we're still here and still eating pertains only to certain populations of humans. Many ecosystems are crashing--Haiti, for example, due to deforestation--and many of the people there are decidedly not eating, even if they are still there.

We live in 2009, not 1709, 1809, or even 1909. To continue to apply the pre-chemical and pre-overpopulation capacities of Nature to the present-day situation is folly in the extreme.


while its nice that you are enthusiastic about global climate change...you forget a FEW things

1. while we humans are wasteful, and do polute (which we should change) we are not the main or only cause of climate change

2. just the fact of our population INCREASING effects things

3. there has been 10's of ice ages and WARMING trends through out history (billions of years)

4. MARS is going though global warming TOO,,,,,yet there are NO HUMANS on it,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,CARE TO EXPLAIN that
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Old 09-17-2009, 11:25 PM
 
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I think its deceitful to say that if you have hundreds of organism and you take out "one" organism it will cause a "habitat collapse"... habitats don't rely on just one organism... unless you believe in manmade global warming then I guess you believe in any fairy tale... is the minnow a "critical" creature in the habitat... the likely answer is NO...

Nature adapts and all the millions of people put out of work and forced to stand in bread lines for hours on end will adapt to a new found hatred of liberalism where man is a throw away and a tiny fish or a bug is of more value. It will benefit us all in the long run that the left wingers are destroying the lives of mostly the hispanic people who live in that area.
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Old 09-17-2009, 11:38 PM
 
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I don't buy into your "chicken little" theory.

These are the same nuts that will take MILLIONS of taxpayers money to build a crossing for a turtle. You know d*mn well all those turtles are provided with maps to their little tunnel.


Over and over again this was the only issue the guy from the EPA gave as a reason to shut off the water when he was on Hannity. he could care less about the millions effected, only the fishermen up north. How many hispanic fishermmen do you think there is up there?

"It will help protect the jobs of North Coast salmon fishermen, the recreational economy in the Delta"
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Old 09-17-2009, 11:43 PM
 
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There is no hate in my heart. Please stop projecting your own hate. No delta smelt is worth making families go hungry. Not now, not ever.
Well, then, you should start working on helping to feed those families. I totally agree that American families should not go hungry in this enormously wealthy land of our. Only people with no hate in their hearts would begin to understand and to have empathy for hungry families.
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Old 09-17-2009, 11:45 PM
 
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Nature adapts and all the millions of people put out of work and forced to stand in bread lines for hours on end will adapt to a new found hatred of liberalism where man is a throw away and a tiny fish or a bug is of more value. It will benefit us all in the long run that the left wingers are destroying the lives of mostly the hispanic people who live in that area.
Exactly where are those millions of people who are standing in bread lines? Where are the bread lines? Do you have any links regarding those statistics?
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