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Old 09-17-2009, 09:29 PM
 
Location: Great Falls, Montana
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That's a pretty ****ty attitude about it. These farmers supply the nation with food. That fish will survive.
That fish wouldn't even be there now if California would have left the water where it belonged in the first place.

Lose a bit of farming because of a fish? Well, the powers that be, or have been, should have thought of that before deciding to pipe the water in over hundreds of miles across state lines ...
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Old 09-17-2009, 09:29 PM
 
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Fear, plain and simple, you're using fear. It will not collapse, they will not go extinct. The water will not completely dry up, enough will adapt to keep the species alive.
There's a lot to "fear." The fact that you have chosen to simply dig in your heels and live in denial, because the sober truth is too much for you to accept, motivates you to accuse others--who actually know something about these issues--as perpetrating "fear" deceitfully. Nothing could be further from the truth.

The water will NOT necessarily "adapt." I guess you don't know much about how marine ecosystems function, do you?
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Old 09-17-2009, 09:31 PM
 
Location: Sacramento
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Which land? And why do you think that land is "barren"? Do you know anything about it, in particular, based in fact?

Ever been to Montana? There's a dying state. Primarily because of the devastation wrought by mining: soil erosion, deforestation, water poisoning, and the eco-collapse that resulted. All because the mining companies were allowed to circumvent environmental laws. And many of them simply walked away--legally--from the environmental fallout of their illegal business practices. The taxpayer had to pick up the tab.
The land between Bakersfield and Merced, generally running from the west side of Highway 99 and somewhat to the west of I-5. The area was full of vines, fruit trees and tomato crops, now mostly just brown dust kicking up over the highways.

We take I-5 down to LA, and return on Highway 99, so we get to see most of the valley.
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Old 09-17-2009, 09:32 PM
 
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The land between Bakersfield and Merced, generally running from the west side of Highway 99 and somewhat to the west of I-5. The area was full of vines, fruit trees and tomato crops, now mostly just brown dust kicking up over the highways.

We take I-5 down to LA, and return on Highway 99, so we get to see most of the valley.
So what happened to it?
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Old 09-17-2009, 09:33 PM
 
Location: Sacramento
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Oh poor boo-hiss ...

How many years has California been taking water from other states now?
It's not their water to start with and now they are making a flap about this?

Pahleeze ...
Uh, actually the water is in the Delta regions of California, it isn't coming in from any other state.

Care to try again, or was that sufficient embarrassment?
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Old 09-17-2009, 09:33 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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That fish wouldn't even be there now if California would have left the water where it belonged in the first place.

Lose a bit of farming because of a fish? Well, the powers that be, or have been, should have thought of that before deciding to pipe the water in over hundreds of miles across state lines ...
doesn't matter one bit. what matters are the facts.. it's a done deal, the pipeline is there, the farms are operational. killing them off like this is disgusting.
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Old 09-17-2009, 09:35 PM
 
Location: Sacramento
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So what happened to it?
They turned off the pumps that brought the water down from the Delta, mostly to the east side of the San Francisco area.


YouTube - Part 1 - Democrats make pathetic excuses to keep water shut off
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Old 09-17-2009, 09:35 PM
 
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doesn't matter one bit. what matters are the facts.. it's a done deal, the pipeline is there, the farms are operational. killing them off like this is disgusting.
Nope. There are consequence for stupid land planning. Humanity has got to stop thinking it can just alter landscapes any which way and Nature will adapt. Because, most often, it won't.
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Old 09-17-2009, 09:35 PM
 
Location: The ends DO NOT justify the means!!!
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The area was full of vines, fruit trees and tomato crops, now mostly just brown dust kicking up over the highways.
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Old 09-17-2009, 09:36 PM
 
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They turned off the pumps that brought the water down from the Delta, mostly to the east side of the San Francisco area.


YouTube - Part 1 - Democrats make pathetic excuses to keep water shut off
Why did they shut the water off?
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