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Don't Christians follow those Commandment thingies?
Placing GODvernmnet before God?
Making theft a virtue?
Coveting other's possessions?
Doesn't sound too Christian to me.
Christianity is as good as any story of individual morality I guess. However, I would rather not live in a theocracy. Never know when the current mortal's interpretation of God will frown upon me on earth. I prefer to think that He created me with the ability to make choices for a reason. I will let Him judge me and not worry about those who would think themselves equal to God by making those judgement in His place.
Thieves, thugs, and tyrants, if they are following God's will, I hate God.
He is STILL healing them if you believe and trust in Him. If for some reason you can't afford the healthcare or the fines? You have still got Him. Why do you think Christians believe? He has proven himself and has shown them.
Don't Christians follow those Commandment thingies?
Placing GODvernmnet before God?
Making theft a virtue?
Coveting other's possessions?
Doesn't sound too Christian to me.
Christianity is as good as any story of individual morality I guess. However, I would rather not live in a theocracy. Never know when the current mortal's interpretation of God will frown upon me on earth. I prefer to think that He created me with the ability to make choices for a reason. I will let Him judge me and not worry about those who would think themselves equal to God by making those judgement in His place.
Thieves, thugs, and tyrants, if they are following God's will, I hate God.
Christian values serves the very purpose of your freedoms. You see, how would it look if we were to restrict your individual freedom to choose while God gives the ultimate freedom to choice to all? The choice to accept him or not.
You are free to live as you choose, and I disagree with those that attempt to restrict you based on religious opinion.
You are free to hate God as you choose, but do not for one second think that this is forced by God. Those who commit their acts, do so against God. You should be angry at man, for it is MAN who has corrupted the word of God for his own purpose. It is man who is the thief, the thug, the tyrant. If you think otherwise, you are confused.
Christian values serves the very purpose of your freedoms. You see, how would it look if we were to restrict your individual freedom to choose while God gives the ultimate freedom to choice to all? The choice to accept him or not.
You are free to live as you choose, and I disagree with those that attempt to restrict you based on religious opinion.
You are free to hate God as you choose, but do not for one second think that this is forced by God. Those who commit their acts, do so against God. You should be angry at man, for it is MAN who has corrupted the word of God for his own purpose. It is man who is the thief, the thug, the tyrant. If you think otherwise, you are confused.
Sorry if you got the wrong interpretation. I have absolutely no problem whatsoever with religion as an individual moral code. Although I would think it would be wise of its followers to use it as a source for further thinking rather than dogmatic mandate.
What I was saying was, that from what I have observed from the Bible, that humans forcing others to obey God's will seems like a complete contradiction. They are "God's Laws" and He is to be the judge and jury of "criminals". I do not hate the concept of God, I hate those who use their interpretation of God to "justify" their being thieves, thugs, and tyrants.
All you have to do is read the bible to see what was thought of Tax collectors in christ time.
Nevertheless, he did expressly say to render unto Caesar what was Caesar's. Jesus did approve of taxation or at least accepted it.
p.s. If this point was already brought up, I apologize--I didn't have the time to read 18 pages...plus, I'm not actually a Christian so I didn't feel I had all that much of a leg to stand on in being in this thread, but when I see stuff that's really obvious and really pops out at me, I'll comment on it even if it's religious.
Has the government, Caesar, produced that which is being taxed? I would think that what one earns is theirs and not Caesar's.
You may think that but it's not what Jesus thought based on scripture. AFAIK, there is no evidence of him having said anyone even had the right to say how "Caesar's" money was spent. And he didn't stipulate that Caesar had to produce a certain thing, service, etc. nor in what amount he should produce it. Nothing like that was said. Simply that people should hand in their tax money, period.
I was paraphrasing (I think...too lazy to look up the passage) what Jesus is reported to have said; what can I say? (shrug) Again, I don't personally follow this due to religion specifically--I'm not Christian--but I thought this was worth saying since the post is speculation about what Jesus would have wanted. I've read the Bible more than a few times (while in my questing mode) so this much I know.
I don't know how he would have felt about universal health care specifically.
I personally have never minded paying taxes, even when I wasn't making much to begin with. So that I agree with Jesus on! :P
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