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Old 06-29-2009, 10:01 PM
 
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Chavez gave oil to the very rural communities here in Alaska during the Bush regime. Alot of people felt it was simply to make Bush look bad. Is that what you're referring to when you said he sells heating oil at discounts to poor communities in the U.S.? I wasn't aware of that other than in Alaska.
He has made the offer to sell heating oil at discounts to poor communities accross the United States and works with Congressional representatives to carry it out. So far Jose Serrano, who is a Congressman from the Bronx, has taken him up on this offer, as well as a some Congressmen in Massachusetts. (although I don't recall which ones but you could probably find it fairly easily on the internet) Perhaps it was to make Bush look bad, perhaps Chavez has a genuine concern for the plight of poor Americans, perhaps it's a combination of the two. But one thing is for sure; Exxon Mobil wasn't offering discounts.
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Old 06-29-2009, 10:01 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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He had no authority to change the constitution. The court, the congress, the AG, the military told him - he chose to ignore the law and try to go ahead with the referendum (ballots from Chavez, does that bother anybody) the other branches of government stopped him to prevent a constitutional crisis.

What happened to the lefties and the argument about the "rule of law". This guy refused to abide by the rule of law.
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Old 06-29-2009, 10:02 PM
 
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You've read and heard wrong.
No your wrong. I've checked various sources.
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Old 06-29-2009, 10:11 PM
 
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He had no authority to change the constitution. The court, the congress, the AG, the military told him - he chose to ignore the law and try to go ahead with the referendum (ballots from Chavez, does that bother anybody) the other branches of government stopped him to prevent a constitutional crisis.

What happened to the lefties and the argument about the "rule of law". This guy refused to abide by the rule of law.
First of all it wasn't a referendum. He wasn't trying to change the constitution; he was simply asking the opinions of Hondurian voters regarding whether or not they are in favor of a constitutional referendum. What's the big deal? If the people don't like him, they vote no and that's it. There is no need for a military coup in this situation; it is unacceptable
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Old 06-29-2009, 10:13 PM
 
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Not something that is within the authority of the president of Honduras. It is strictly a congressional matter - the courts told him so, the congress told him so, the AG told him so, he broke into offices that had the ballots from Chavez (isn't that right there enough for you) and was ready to distribute them, illegally. The Supreme Court ordered the military to arrest him - what would have happened if such a vote went forward? A constitutional crisis and very likely a lot of violence.
What wouldhave happened if the vote went forward you ask? Well if Zalaya is as unpopular as you claim, the people of Honduras would have voted no and he would finish his term in January.
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Old 06-29-2009, 10:14 PM
 
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don't tell me, your poli-sci degree was paid for by Chavez as well
No it was paid for by me and my mother.
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Old 06-29-2009, 10:15 PM
 
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No your wrong. I've checked various sources.
Nonsense.

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From what I read, and heard on the news as well, Zalaya was just doing a survey to ask the people of Honduras if they want a constitutional reform; he wasn't trying to change the constitution.
That was exactly what he had in mind, so he could serve another term. List your sources.
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Old 06-29-2009, 10:18 PM
 
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First of all it wasn't a referendum. He wasn't trying to change the constitution; he was simply asking the opinions of Hondurian voters regarding whether or not they are in favor of a constitutional referendum. What's the big deal? If the people don't like him, they vote no and that's it. There is no need for a military coup in this situation; it is unacceptable
Um...just the little problem that it was illegal. The Supreme Court said it was illegal, the congress said it was illegal, the AG said it was illegal - but for you, all of that is just "no big deal".

Besides, the president has NO authority to change the constitution by referendum or any other means. That Poli-sci degree didn't do much for you I see.
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Old 06-29-2009, 10:19 PM
 
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Nonsense.



That was exactly what he had in mind, so he could serve another term. List your sources.
CNN en Espanol, Democracy Now, AP
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Old 06-29-2009, 10:21 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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What wouldhave happened if the vote went forward you ask? Well if Zalaya is as unpopular as you claim, the people of Honduras would have voted no and he would finish his term in January.
So just because the fool is intent on creating a constitutional crisis, they should just go ahead and let him go through with his silly little vote?

No matter that it was ruled illegal - that's just a small inconvenience, right?

Just cuz he wants to he should be allowed to do it. Now, I can well imagine you would learn something like that at your typical liberal propaganda university.
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