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Well it's a good thing I don't listen to talk radio then, as I have posted time and time again.
Call me anything you want to call me. You NEED my vote because you need EVERY vote right now... And you don't have it.
You call me names, and I'll enjoy the progress we are starting to make that we haven't made in years... Deal???
I won't get on you for changing since I changed from a liberal thinking Democrat in 1972 when they nominated a socialist for President. However, you keep talking about all that progress and I think you should give some examples of that progress. Do you want to do that?
I don't know for sure, but I suspect that BringtheContent's change of heart isn't an abandonment of conservative principles. Even some of us liberals are conservative on some issues. I know some people who are quite conservative who've left the Republican party. And a lot of those people are still very conservative on some issues, particularly economic issues. But they are more moderate on social issues. And they became frustrated with a party leadership that demanded that they be 100% on board. I think a good visual of the situation right now would be that the Democratic Party and the Republican Party are both ships on a turbulent ocean. And the Republican ship is cutting loose the hangers on, the people with one foot in and one foot out, the stragglers holding on to life preservers. While the Democratic Party is throwing ropes to those stranded people left and right. Ideological purity is not something to aspire to in a two-party system. The trend that many Republicans have embraced of marginalizing its members who aren't ideologically pure is hurting them. It's not the fundamentals of the party that are driving people away, it's that the party itself seems to be involved in purging whatever they perceive as untrue to those fundamentals.
That is a courageous post, BringTheContent, and your honesty is admirable. Without doubt, you will
receive blow-back from GOP posters, but I'm sure that you're expecting it. Barry Goldwater followed the same path; having a gay grandson led him to reevaluate his deeply-held conservative beliefs, and he died repenting his former intransigence. The same with political operative Lee Atwater, who saw life very differently once he was terminally ill. There are times when one's vision is unclear, until something life-altering happens. Those of us who supported President Obama during the election thank you for allocating respect to him, and for deciding to join with us in doing what we can to help
America, not the lobbyists and ultra-wealthy. Welcome!
Before I forget it, let me say a big HI to Even. I have missed reading you. Not so much missed coming back but just reading you. Hi
Right. You're as phony as they come. In talk radio, you would be known as a "seminar caller".
Let me add just this one point: It would be extremely rare for someone who was a Republican (in other words, primarily "conservative" in their thinking) to make a 180 degree turn and become a liberl.
Sorry. I'm just not convinced. It isn't possible. The other way around, however, is entirly possible.
I agree with this! Especially why would one change parties RIGHT NOW with the horrid economy and all the $ he is spending and planning on spending in the future!
Def weird to me and I'm just wondering is the OP really Robert Gibbs?? LMAO!
For you to be losing (one L, so watch who you call ignorant and uninformed there) anyone at this point is not a bonus. You can do all of the grandstanding you want from your keyboard, but in the real world you cannot afford to lose anymore of the people you claim to not need.
Thanks for all of the name-calling. It makes me glad to have left people like you behind. You haven't won anything, and you won't win anything again for a very long time.
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BTC, you are doing a fantastic job of defending yourself and your change of heart. How odd that some posters seem to believe that you will revert,
if you're sufficiently insulted and attacked. As you and others have pointed
out, that belligerence and intolerance are precisely what have driven so many from the Republican Party. To quote Socrates: "The unexamined life is not worth living." You are not only living, but thriving. Evenstar51
My new member??? Excuse me but I have been voting republican and still consider myself to be a republican. I'm just appalled at how some of you guys are judging him when you don't even know him to begin with. I haven't had the opportunity to go back and review his prior posting but I seem to recall him being a conservative. There are some democrats who are moderately conservative who cannot vote republican for a variety of reasons. My best friend falls within this category and she is definitely NOT a liberal. I personally consider myself socially conservative and fiscally moderate. I just cannot stomach the fiscal conservatism side of the republicans as this is affecting ME on a personal level in California.
We know him by his posts, take a gander at them. Either he was an ignorant socially driven "conservative" or he was a liberal that was confused. This is looking at the content of his posts, the way he argued his positions. This isn't about party, name means nothing, a name is irrelevant to who we are and what we stand for. His arguments were that of someone who is ignorant. He constantly belittled his discussions by using "lib" and making emotional comments that were irrational and honestly supportive of many far left mind sets.
You are upset, understandable, and I also am upset with the politics of our nation, but we need to argue the points, not party lines. The fact that he specifically stated he was moving to "Democrat" is a side show meant to draw support for that side, to legitimize that side of thinking.
The fact is, the democrats are failing greatly in their ability, and the republicans are just as stupid as they are in many ways no different than the democrats in their politicial games. I honestly think our system has run to the edge to which the founders spoke. To the point that only bloodshed will resolve. Because it is only when ones life is truly on the line do they shed their political servitude and hold to a true ideal.
If the OP would have stated they had given up on both parties, it might fit with a rational concerning the problems we face today, but for one to embrace that of the left with all that is apparent is either more political trickery, or simply that of a blind idiot seeking praise.
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Well said, Jill61! You're spot on; President Obama discussed job creation just this morning, backed by corporate leaders. It would have been nice if some posters had taken the time to read your Theodore Roosevelt quotes; they illustrate exactly how far from traditional conservatism that the neocons have moved. It doesn't take much to consider what his response to "Drill baby drill" would be. Chris Buckley, son of William, has often stated
on t.v. how distressed his father would be by the anti-intellectual stance
of the GOP. It seems that, if you're a wealthy Republican you are a patriotic American...if you're a wealthy Democrat, you're part of the "liberal
elite," whatever that means. Considering the number of blue-collar workers
that voted for President Obama, it's difficult to put any credence in that
stale canard.
BTW, admin was gracious enough to allow me to switch monikers, taking one that I'd been using on another forum; it is amusing that such a simple
thing would make such a difference in one's persona! Like BTC, I feel so much better! Salukifan1 has given way to Evenstar51; my friends can
call me Even...you know who you are! Again, another excellent post.
I recognized Even in the personna of Salukifan and asked about it several times. I knew that you just didn't like people who still think Obama is not what he promised he was but didn't think you would totally ignore me when I asked you about who you were. Oh well, I still like you even though I don't like Obama still.
Yeah, because you don't need every vote you can get, right?
I already walked out the door. I would have closed it behind me, but I wanted to be courteous and leave it open for everyone else who wants to walk out too... Everyone who didn't walk out ALREADY that is...
I guess you don't know any OMG voters. I know many of them and they won't be making the same mistake again. They went the opposite way you did after they got some peeks at what is going on.
For you to be losing (one L, so watch who you call ignorant and uninformed there) anyone at this point is not a bonus. You can do all of the grandstanding you want from your keyboard, but in the real world you cannot afford to lose anymore of the people you claim to not need.
You are doing well, almost like you have been liberal from the start. You attack my mistype shows you to be undereducated. Those who are educated realize that quibbling over spelling and bits of grammar when it does no detract from the context of the point is simply using a fallacy to escape having to answer to the discussion. That which you did nicely. You were never conservative, you were liberal, yet like many stupid conservatives who falsely represent the ideal, you didn't realize it. Thats good though, now you can belong to a group that will message your ego and praise your ability to regurgitate their party line. Run along sheep, your master is calling for you!
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Originally Posted by BringTheContent
Thanks for all of the name-calling. It makes me glad to have left people like you behind. You haven't won anything, and you won't win anything again for a very long time.
Ahh, too bad, whaaa oh look at me ma? They are picking on me! Well, you are now part of a group who will never pick on you as long as you toe their party line. Then again, you were never part of conservative thinking anyway. /shrug
How very courteous, Old Son! It was your suggestion that led me to ask admin if I could switch monikers; they were gracious enough to allow that.
Thanks so much for the suggestion; I may still be a major Saluki fan, but
Evenstar feels much more comfortable as a moniker. No doubt some posters
saw the name and mistook me for a 19 year-old guy...that idea was a little
disconcerting, as I'm female and have celebrated my 19th birthday a few
times. Glad to see that you're participating here, and that your wife still hasn't booted you out! Hope you're doing well...have a great 4th! Best, Even
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