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Progressive ideas are the only ideas that work in the long run. The rest of the world has pretty much figured this out. We are just starting to figure this out here. The USA is still an "experiment" for all purposes. Europe has been civilized for thousands of years.
Yes, our form of government is an experiment, and progressive ideas are starting to tear it down. Eventually your progressive ideas will turn the country into a socialist dictatorship, like Hugo Chavez's Venezuela.
Why do you use the argument that they have been civilized for thousands of years in Europe, to try and prove a point about the superiority of progressive ideas?
How many times, in those "thousands of years" were the populations of Europe forced in slavery, subjugated against their will, raped, pillaged and had war forced upon them? Were the cultures and societies of the Native Americans uncivilized by comparison?
If progressive ideas "are the only ideas that work"then why did the people revolt in Europe to the oppressiveness of progressive ideas and elect conservatives?
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LONDON (AP) ―June 8, 2009
Conservatives raced toward victory in some of Europe's largest economies Sunday as initial results and exit polls showed voters punishing left-leaning parties in European parliament elections in France, Germany and elsewhere.
Right-leaning governments were ahead of the opposition in Germany, France, Italy and Belgium, while conservative opposition parties were leading in Britain and Spain.
French Socialists said their defeat signaled a need to rethink left-wing policies if they are to have any hope of unseating President Nicolas Sarkozy.
The Hungarian far-right Jobbik party won three of 22 seats, with the main center-right opposition party, Fidesz, capturing 14 seats and the governing Socialists only four.
Where is your example of progressive ideas actually being successful "in the long run"?
Loving the change right now...finally doing some things that will benefit the entire county and not just the rich. when Health care passes, Obamas first year in office may go down as the most productive.
First of all, its not a health care bill, its health insurance. Secondly, millions upon millions are out of work, and 0bama's policies are going to keep unemployment high for many years, he took over ownership of both GM and Chrysler, and has controlling interest in AIG and Citigroup, and the only people making a profit are the Wall Street fat cats, how does this "benefit the entire county and not just the rich"?
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Washington Post - Thursday, July 16, 2009
A new forecast raised fresh doubts yesterday about how strong any economic recovery might be, as the Federal Reserve projected that the unemployment rate may surpass 10 percent by year's end and warned that the economy may not return to full health for at least five years.
Damn, should have listened more to Ron Paul........
They listened they just love wars and socialism so Ron Paul was to much about freedom and crazy ideas like the constitution and small government.
Clearly big government is working right? lol
It really amazes me how people are so childish that they really expect president Obama to fix problems that were created through an 8 year George Bush presidency in only 6 months that he has been in office.
It took 8 years of George Bush for this country to get into this mess.........and it is certainly going to take longer then 6 months of a new president to fix it. I would also venture to say that Obama is not going to be able to fix every problem that was CREATED BEFORE HE TOOK OFFICE.
I will say this though.......whether he is pleasing everyone or not he has had the guts to tackle more major problems in the beginning of his presidency then any of the recent presidents before him. In fact whether we agree about what it is going to take to get universal healthcare.......he has come closer to addressing this problem then any president before him as well. George Bush had 8 years and he did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to tackle the many problems that exist in this country! All Bush did was plunge us into a war that has lasted for years, wasted billions of tax payer dollars and lost many lives........and might I add has not resulted in capturing the original person (Osama Bin Laden) that was supposed to be responsible for the terrorist attack in NYC.
George Bush could care less about the interests and well being of the poor. President Obama seems to be very intuned and interested in the problems that poor americans face.
No president is ever going to be able to please everyone and no president is perfect! Opinions are like as- holes.......everyone has one!
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It really amazes me how people are so childish that they really expect president Obama to fix problems that were created through an 8 year George Bush presidency in only 6 months that he has been in office.
It took 8 years of George Bush for this country to get into this mess.........and it is certainly going to take longer then 6 months of a new president to fix it. I would also venture to say that Obama is not going to be able to fix every problem that was CREATED BEFORE HE TOOK OFFICE.
I will say this though.......whether he is pleasing everyone or not he has had the guts to tackle more major problems in the beginning of his presidency then any of the recent presidents before him. In fact whether we agree about what it is going to take to get universal healthcare.......he has come closer to addressing this problem then any president before him as well. George Bush had 8 years and he did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to tackle the many problems that exist in this country!
George Bush could care less about the interests and well being of the poor. This president seems to be very intuned and interested in the problems that poor americans face.
No president is ever going to be able to please everyone and no president is perfect! Opinions are like as- holes.......everyone has one!
actually, the country was going downhill long before bush.
actually, the country was going downhill long before bush.
Exactly my point. In my opinion this so called United States has been going downhill from the day it was created by the so called founding fathers. The capitalist propaganda that this country was built on is nothing more then a smoke screen for the wealthy to keep making more money while the poor just get poorer.
When a house is built on a false foundation it is doomed to collapse!
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What change? The bailouts? Bush and Obama both championed them. The deficit skyrocketing? Again, Bush and Obama were on the same page. The polarization? Bush and Obama again. The war? Bush and Obama. The tanking economy? Bush and Obama. Unemployment? Bush and Obama.
Secret Whitehouse deals and no disclosure? Bush and Obama. Spying on U.S. citizens? Bush and Obama. A president who's a puppet being manipulated by those around him? Bush and Obama. Extremists running both parties? Bush and Obama. U.S. citizens getting screwed? Bush and Obama.
What is this change people keep talking about?
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Yes, our form of government is an experiment, and progressive ideas are starting to tear it down. Eventually your progressive ideas will turn the country into a socialist dictatorship, like Hugo Chavez's Venezuela.
Why do you use the argument that they have been civilized for thousands of years in Europe, to try and prove a point about the superiority of progressive ideas?
How many times, in those "thousands of years" were the populations of Europe forced in slavery, subjugated against their will, raped, pillaged and had war forced upon them? Were the cultures and societies of the Native Americans uncivilized by comparison?
If progressive ideas "are the only ideas that work"then why did the people revolt in Europe to the oppressiveness of progressive ideas and elect conservatives?
Where is your example of progressive ideas actually being successful "in the long run"?
You have to quit using Fox News as a source of information about Europe. The "conservatives" in Europe- or even Canada- for that matter are far to the left of "conservatives" over here. The Torries and Conservatives are probably about where Obama or Teddy Kennedy are in the USA. PM Harper in Canada is a Conservative and the Conservatives are in power there. He is not advocating the destruction of the public infrastructure the way conservatives here do (trying to privatize public services, schools and even Social Security) They also do not go around looking for wars to start. Rather he just has differing ideas about improving the delivery of government services and programs to the people. The most conservative 1st World nation outside of this one is probably Austrailia and if you went there as an American Republican, you would probably call it "Socialist" or "communist" the way Republicans do anything to the left of Nazism.
These countries have experiemented with differing forms of government for thousands of years (and yes, the Earth is older than 6000 years). They have tried Royalty, Facisim, Communism (some), pure capitalism (some) and everything else. They have found that liberal democracy based on progressive ideals (delivery of programs to the citizens) is what works the best in the long run. And they are right.
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