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It was rather organized and he had quite a bit of help with the most difficult parts, financing the operation and building the bomb. Additionally as I said he was highly influenced by cries for revenge for Waco, as evidenced by his statements, which came from these militia meetings and extremist literature.
you are entitled to your opinion, but I am kind of an insider in this case. it was a psychopath. that's all you really need to know.
Not exactly the Oklahoma city bombing had to my knowledge at least 3 known conspirators and two of them Nichols and McVeigh were associated with right wing militias and were inspired by rallying cries about Waco. In fact, McVeigh cited Waco as a reason for the attacks.
They weren't members of militias. They were white supremacists among other things. Many white supremacists were (and still are) attracted to the idea of being armed and trained. Some of them started their own armed groups and attempted to infiltrate militia groups (but weren't welcome). But it's totally seperate. The militia movement was (and is) really a libertarian leaning movement. McVeigh was influenced most by the Turner Diaries. He thought he was going to make them come to life. Waco enraged McVeigh and militia members but many were enraged and wanted revenge or justice, most of whom were not involved with militias at all. The SPLC (southern poverty law center) tried to portray the militia movement as racist and attempted to associate OKC and the militia movement in people's minds but everyone who has researched and investigated it, including the FBI, has dismissed that theory.
you are entitled to your opinion, but I am kind of an insider in this case. it was a psychopath. that's all you really need to know.
Like Al Qaeda affiliates, who are completely unrelated to the group, but receive their general target (the west) and propaganda from that group, all these men received their propaganda and general target (the federal government) from extremist sources like the "Turner Diaries."
I shall pose one final question if it is just a psychopath then why is Terry Nichols in the supermax and why did Michael Fortier get 8 years on a 10+ year sentence?
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Like Al Qaeda affiliates, who are completely unrelated to the group, but receive their general target (the west) and propaganda from that group, all these men received their propaganda and general target (the federal government) from extremist sources like the "Turner Diaries."
I shall pose one final question if it is just a psychopath then why is Terry Nichols in the supermax and why did Michael Fortier get 8 years on a 10+ year sentence?
I will refer you to the facts. eco terrorism is organized. eco terrorists look to control every aspect of our lives. this was not the what the psycho's in oklahoma looked to gain.
They weren't members of militias. They were white supremacists among other things. Many white supremacists were (and still are) attracted to the idea of being armed and trained. Some of them started their own armed groups and attempted to infiltrate militia groups (but weren't welcome). But it's totally seperate. The militia movement was (and is) really a libertarian leaning movement. McVeigh was influenced most by the Turner Diaries. He thought he was going to make them come to life. Waco enraged McVeigh and militia members but many were enraged and wanted revenge or justice, most of whom were not involved with militias at all. The SPLC (southern poverty law center) tried to portray the militia movement as racist and attempted to associate OKC and the militia movement in people's minds but everyone who has researched and investigated it, including the FBI, has dismissed that theory.
That is true, however, they were associated with Michigan area militias and during those militia meetings revenge for Waco was brought up. that is what I stated was it not.
I will refer you to the facts. eco terrorism is organized. eco terrorists look to control every aspect of our lives. this was not the what the psycho's in oklahoma looked to gain.
Eco-terrorists are organized but, in general, not any more so then the extremist anti-choice group The Army of God. As to terrorism, there are a lot of reasons people commit terrorist acts with various end goals, but regardless it is still terrorism.
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Eco-terrorists are organized but, in general, not any more so then the extremist anti-choice group The Army of God. As to terrorism, there are a lot of reasons people commit terrorist acts with various end goals, but regardless it is still terrorism.
there aren't a lot of reasons. terrorism is to advance a political agenda. nothing more. granted the political agenda might be different, but it's always political.
there aren't a lot of reasons. terrorism is to advance a political agenda. nothing more. granted the political agenda might be different, but it's always political.
Well yes, but there are a lot of political agendas and thus various reasons.
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